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Hello83433 (Lucky 7)
2023-06-21 19:18:31

??? Then he’s not an example of either trope? I'm not sure what the question being asked is.

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jawal Since: Sep, 2018
2023-06-21 20:31:04

The author of the original Expy trope said that for a character to qualify, he must be written by the same author or company that produced the original character.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.Expy

So by that definition, this Clive should not qualify as an Expy for a character written by Martin.

Unless I am misunderstanding the trope.

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2023-06-21 20:46:59

Expy has evolved since then, and has been a very problematic trope to say the least, but the main criteria is that the character must be intentionally based on one other character. If there's multiple, it doesn't count.

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Aazkaal Since: Sep, 2019
2023-06-21 22:20:08

^ Do we even have any trope to list characters who're intentionally made by combining two or more of other characters on which they're based, if the work isn't an adaptation? As if not, then there's clearly an issue, as such things do happen.

miraculous (Apprentice)
2023-06-22 04:11:15

For what it's worth. Yoshida (the games main writer) said that him and his staff binge watched the entire game of thrones show to prepare for making this game. So it does take direct inspiration admited by word of God(The Hero, son sent up to the north, has a wolf companion = John snow).

So I would keep that one over velvet since we at least have word of god statements to back it up.

Edit: Maybe Homage

Edited by miraculous "That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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