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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2023-06-19 23:47:24

I may actually think there's a case to NRLEP this, given it's about villains invading the US and not just any attack on the capital.

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Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2023-06-19 23:50:35

Yeah, could be a valid case. Or ROCEJ for that specific example, but given how it was there for two years I assumed it was fine enough until this guy showed up.

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RoseAndHeather (Edited uphill both ways)
2023-06-20 00:13:52

...pretty sure invading and badly damaging the Capitol qualifies you as a villain regardless of your citizenship.

I serve at the pleasure of President Pritchart.
WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2023-06-20 00:18:37

We don't call real people villains, Rose. That's why morality tropes are blanket NRLEP'd.

I'm taking this to the thread.

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RoseAndHeather (Edited uphill both ways)
2023-06-20 00:35:15

Sigh. My point was that an invasion is an invasion regardless of which passport you happen to hold. People were literally prosecuted and jailed for this shit.

And I don't appreciate being condescended to.

Peacing out of this discussion now.

I serve at the pleasure of President Pritchart.
WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2023-06-20 00:38:02

And that wasn't my point, my point was that this is a trope about VILLAINS and thus cannot apply to real people. I wasn't making a political argument. In fact, I'd agree that the capital invasion was horrific and evil... but that opinion does not belong on the wiki as an example under a morality trope.

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Speedchesser Since: Feb, 2012
2023-06-20 02:59:56

Courtesy links: AjWargo first adds the example, the.Mtn.Man then rewrites it, and akdavis1989 then deletes it. Also, the thread that WarJay77 mentioned.

I'll let the thread decide if the work can even have real-life examples, but if it can, then I think this fits. Either way, you wouldn't be edit-warring since you didn't add the original example.

Also, I went ahead and sent the.Mtn.Man a message about ROCEJ, since they've also had a couple other edits that seem to be pushing an agenda.

EDIT: I don't actually think the thread is the place for this. The sticky says Morality Tropes don't need a crowner, so the question is whether the word "villain" is actually essential (in which case it should be a Morality Trope and therefore NRLEP) or not (in which case the description should be rewritten to be more neutral).

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Agentofchaos Since: Dec, 2021
2023-06-20 10:06:41

They have more concerning edits as well:

I can check more on them later but they seem to have a conservative political agenda.

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2023-06-20 10:34:19

^^ Yes, the thread is the right place for this. Unless made NRLEP through TLP, we have to at least discuss it there to avoid derailing things, and I've already started a discussion that anyone is welcome to join.

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TotemGenitor Since: Apr, 2021
2023-06-20 11:37:26

On another edit war and probable conservative agenda to add.

They add an entry about Michael Brown's death. They edit the entry a few times afterwards.

Spectre remove it because ROCEJ

the.Mtn.Man readd the entry

Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2023-06-20 11:50:56

Yeah, that example needs to go.

I'm also pretty sure we don't need a real life folder for Double Tap at all, but I guess that's a separate conversation.

MacronNotes (Captain)
2023-06-20 11:54:10

Feel free to remove that entry ^^

I suspended Mtn Man for edit warring + gave them everything but a bounce because of the agenda related concerns.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2023-06-20 13:30:32

ROCEJ aside, it's so obsessed with its agenda it actually undermines being an example. The trope isn't "using multiple shots to take someone down," it's "shooting someone that's down in order to make sure they're dead."

Trying to add an example glorifying cops to this trope in particular is completely hopeless.

Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.
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