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Synchronicity MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
10th May, 2023 08:36:57 AM

I only saw the film once, but I'll agree that 'she totally planned for them to steal the thing' is Speculative Troping. I broadly agree that there are a lot of overstatements in these entries.

LadyErinNY Since: Sep, 2014
10th May, 2023 08:39:12 AM

What should I do? Try to rewrite the ones that aren't misuses or just redelete all?

Psi001 Since: Oct, 2010
10th May, 2023 07:22:16 PM

Regardless, the film specifically shows her gloating that she knew they'd "make it personal", and the montage shows her going through the security system, showing she was aware of the precautions against them. Plus she's Governor. Even if she didn't straight up initiate the WPSST or gambit them into going after it, she knew there was a probability they'd come and brushed it off because of the preparations made. The photo being used to get through the same security access counts for the getting outsmarted part.

I will relent that some of those entries imply more proactive involvement than the film confirms, but ones like Tempting Fate and Fatal Flaw merely note her complacency about the Bad Guys which definitely WAS demonstrated, not to mention note other elements of the film unrelated to that scene (Marmalade DOES capture Diane, while the Crimson Paw's whole bragging right is never getting caught in a heist). Her setting off the plot by mocking them on TV definitely did happen too.

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LadyErinNY Since: Sep, 2014
11th May, 2023 08:01:29 AM

What montage? There is one tiny scene where she goes into a locked room and then we see the guards punch a fly.

The problem isn't that the film doesn't imply that she might know. The problem is you keep acting like it is a fact instead of a theory. And as the mod points out, your entries are overstatements.

Psi001 Since: Oct, 2010
11th May, 2023 02:30:55 PM

The heist montage, not the montage of her.

And I get that, but the problem is you're taking out ENTIRE trope entries for that when they still factor to her character otherwise, which feels just as counter productive. You can easily edit that down, especially since as mentioned, she still unambiguously underestimated the Bad Guys and got outsmarted over it, the legitimacy of those tropes don't hinge on her intentionally gambitting them.

Edited by Psi001
UFOYeah Since: Mar, 2022
17th May, 2023 08:54:39 PM

Regardless, this is an edit war on Psi's part. They, at the very least, added and re-added this paragraph:

  • Complacency. She's a Consummate Professional that has never been caught, and as a result underestimates any strategy besides her's and doesn't bother to make any back up plan. This gets her into trouble on both occasions she is finally outsmarted, having never had a plan get outdone before and thus having no idea how to improvise around it, leaving her panicing helpless until an outside force saves her. This tends to be exclusive to the strategic end of things however, on the physical end, she's a nimble fighter and stuntsman even in a pinch.

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