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Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2023-01-29 07:45:01

Please don't use a translated version of TV Tropes for your project. That's not "free use"; that's blatant stealing.

Amonimus (Sergeant)
2023-01-29 07:49:50

See TV Tropes Translation Project and Home Pages By Language. The pages will have Ru/ namespace, and subpages will have it appended ex. RuLaconic/. I'm unsure what to do with article names, since it doesn't support Cyrillic, aside of just using English titles.

There's a forum thread for Russian translations, but it's been long inactive.

Also, I've very skeptical translation of a website is on a level of a school project (we have over 500'000 pages, and just a few pages translated in good quality is something one may consider wanting a payment for), if possible you should consider settling on translating like a dozen random pages in a Doc file and and on paper, then showing the comparison to the teacher for a review, as it's more probable what is expected at that age.

Also, as replied above, Copyright and licensing is in effect. You cannot present a page from TV Tropes as own original work, and you cannot copy pages to another website, if either was considered.

Edited by Amonimus TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-29 08:25:38

Well, at first, thank you very much for such fast reply, I'm really thankful. Next, If I get it right, the biggest problem is that article name in article itself still can't be Cyrillic, right? I read the forum thread before but it can't help me really much. About project itself, of course i won't translate the whole wiki. Given that i have around half a year till the day of delivery, few hundreds or little less is completely fine, as my teacher said. Given this time and my current level of english, it's completely achivable task for me. I don't seek any payment for this, but this project is necessary for continuing the studying. Speaking of copyright issues, either way, there's no way i'll present it as my own work and, if needed, there will be link to the original. I'm afraid this whole situation made you feel awkward about me. If it's important for following contact, there's a possibility that i suffer from asperger syndrome and/or ADHD(i even was planning to visit a therapist recently) so, while I know it's not good to ask to, I ask you to be forgiving to me in nearest future. Thanks again for just replying me that fast.

Amonimus (Sergeant)
2023-01-29 08:35:02

If it's still within the website, meaning making more pages, you're free to do so. Regardless of what the task of this project, technically you'd be volunteering helping us attract new audience with a reward of self-improvement.

If not that, then you'll have to be less vague about what the requirements of your projects are, and a passing-by moderator will probably explain better than me what you can do.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-29 08:35:02

By the way, is it legal to post those translated articles on Tropedia.fandom.com?

MacronNotes (Captain)
2023-01-29 08:50:46

No, About Images and Copyright states that our content can't be reproduced on Famdom.

Macron's notes
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-29 09:02:18

At least, I don't have to search for mod know :) As far as i get it, there's no any way i can post content on any side source aside of TV Tropes, right? And Tropedia.fandom.com is kind of illegal web-site, right? I feel really awkward myself now, to the point i'm all drenched in sweat. I'm probably just a complete fool. Thanks again for replying P.S i'm 17 if it matters

StarSword Since: Sep, 2011
2023-01-29 09:16:13

Yeah, Tropedia I think was founded by users who were banned from the site for various reasons. I don't know if the community team here has ever tried to issue a DMCA takedown.

I have no idea what comparable standards there are under Russian intellectual property law (that would be something to ask an attorney), but we're a US-based website, and under US law, doing a few pages for educational purposes and handing that in as your assignment would count as fair use as long as you gave credit. Translating every page on the site would take forever, and would not be considered fair use. And posting your translations as pages on TV Tropes is perfectly fine.

Trust me, I'm an engineer!
Amonimus (Sergeant)
2023-01-29 09:21:32

There's no such thing as "illegal website" unless they're banned by ISP on government's request. Tropedia are just people who have personal differences on how to handle things and are duplicating the work of the userbase without asking.

It doesn't matter which website. TV Tropes as a corporate considers text material on the website as personal property, even if added by thousand fans, and is free to ask to not copy it outside, unless you're formally quoting a small piece of the text. (Not a legal advice, I'm not versed in CC BY-NC-SA 3.0) See the last section of Welcome to TV Tropes.

(Btw a life advice, and I've learned it in school as well, if something didn't come from your head, always pinpoint where it came from, even funny pictures in a slideshow, and always verify if the creator allows sharing it.)

Edited by Amonimus TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-29 09:29:42

Thanks very much again(ain't i bothering anyone with those constant thankings 'cause i can't know due to my listed above ambiguous disorders).

Just as I said, I won't translate the whole site.

Summing things up, translation itself is no big deal. The only problem i got is that where I'll post the works. If on the other web-site(which seems to be illegal) than i have a problem with design(style). If on TV Tropes, than there seems to be some problems with UR Ls. Though given that i don't have much choice, this still might be a lesser of two evils.

Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2023-01-29 09:36:08

If on the other web-site(which seems to be illegal) than i have a problem with design(style). If on TV Tropes, than there seems to be some problems with UR Ls. Though given that i don't have much choice, this still might be a lesser of two evils.

If you're translating TV Tropes pages, your only option of posting is here, since it's the site's pages. Anywhere else is not allowed.

DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-29 09:38:46

I'm sorry to use a term "illegal website", that was really stupid. I meant that what users of Tropedia.fandom.com do (namely, copying some material from here) is illegal, even if it's in another language. Am i right? EDIT: Oops I was late, sorry

Edited by DopamineMess-14-qq
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-29 09:49:52

So, after y'all settled things up for me now(I'm thankful), seems like only option left for me is make pages here.

I hope I'll come with something up soon.

Is it okay to feel myself dumb as fuck now?

Amonimus (Sergeant)
2023-01-29 09:52:06

I mean... as long you're learning new stuff. These aren't typical questions.

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DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-29 10:09:22

"The pages will have Ru/ namespace, and subpages will have it appended ex. Ru Laconic/. I'm unsure what to do with article names, since it doesn't support Cyrillic, aside of just using English titles."

on the example of article "Byronic Hero", it's gonna look like that:

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Byronic Hero(rus)

(article itself)

Byronic Hero(rus) (it is a name of article in the corner)

Бла-бла-бла, какой-то текст на русском

Am i right?

Edited by DopamineMess-14-qq
StarSword Since: Sep, 2011
2023-01-29 10:24:40

No, it would be Ru/ByronicHero, or more accurately Ru/Whatever the Romanized version of the Russian title is. See for example Es.Bola Del Tonto (Spanish version of Idiot Ball).

Edited by StarSword Trust me, I'm an engineer!
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-29 10:52:09

Thanks for the spanish link, and i already visited home pages by language. Nothing to see there for me.

DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-29 10:54:37

Isn't there any way to make titles possibly non-romanized without touching links?

StarSword Since: Sep, 2011
2023-01-29 11:42:09

A custom title would do the job on the main heading. See How to Make a Custom Title.

Trust me, I'm an engineer!
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-29 11:51:56

Sorry, more in details, please. Information on a page implies that doesn't work for russian letters

NOTE: The custom title system is only to be used for the following:

Adding punctuation (e.g. "Airplane" to "Airplane!") Adding parenthetical disambiguation (e.g. "Work Name Year" to "Work Name (Year)") Changing spacing (e.g. "Camel Case" to "CamelCase") Changing capitalization (e.g. "Title Of Page" to "Title of Page") note Adding diacritics (e.g. "Pokemon" to "Pokémon") Changing text to numerals (e.g., "Two Thousand One" to "2001") note Removing a "1" or equivalent from a work's retronym, to disambiguate the work page from its medium franchise page (e.g. "Work Name 1" to "Work Name", if a page for the Work Name franchise exists) Never use the custom title system to rename an article to something completely different. We have a separate procedure for that.

StarSword Since: Sep, 2011
2023-01-29 12:07:35

^That rule is meant to prevent people from doing things like using custom titles to fix spelling errors, appending a long subtitle to the page title, or including the franchise name if they didn't add it to the page address. For example, I moved the video game Warhammer 40,000: Inquisitor — Martyr after somebody used a custom title to add the Warhammer 40,000 part to a page located at VideoGame.Inquisitor Martyr.

In this case you're not actually changing the name of the page, just what alphabet it's written in.

Edited by StarSword Trust me, I'm an engineer!
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-29 12:54:50

OK, really thanks to all the work y'all did for me, you have no idea how much you all actually helped me.

However, it's almost midnight in my area and i gotta go school tommorow. So I'll go to bed now and we'll continue then, alright?

DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-30 05:34:48

So, how do I create a translation of home page?

DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-30 06:45:48

So, I did a little article (home page translation), which i plan to expand later. And i changed a title from Ru / Home Page to Ru / Главная страница as troper Star Sword recommended me. Looks like now i gotta wait for mod's approval.

What do you think? Won't I get suspended?

Amonimus (Sergeant)
2023-01-30 06:53:00

People normally get suspended for vandalism, dismissing formal warnings or picking fights with other editors (You can check the rest at Administrivia). If you do something wrong, someone will probably say something about it in your messages inbox.

e: By "sandbox" meaning making changes at Sandbox.DopamineMess-14-qq before copypasting where these should be, because we normally don't keep "under construction" pages published.

Edited by Amonimus TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2023-01-30 06:55:53

I'm confused as to what you think you're going to get suspended for. Also, you should work on the page on your Sandbox, like we said, because you're now editing a live page.

EDIT: Ninja'd.

Edited by Arctimon
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-30 07:03:33

"EDIT: Ninja'd" What does it mean?

"If you do something wrong, someone will probably say something about it in your messages inbox." At least, i won't get suspended immediately.

"I'm confused as to what you think you're going to get suspended for. Also, you should work on the page on your Sandbox, like we said, because you're now editing a live page." I really don't wanna sound rude, but given my undiagnosed ADHD, man, it's really hard for me to handle that much responsibillity. At least, don't make high expectations on me right now, please.

DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-30 07:07:07

I tried to change title from Ru / Home page to Ru / Главная страница as Star Sword recommended me, using custom titles. Administrivia says i have to wait for mod's approval. Is it all right?

homogenized Since: Oct, 2009
2023-01-30 07:10:25

"Ninja'd" is TV Tropes slang people sometimes use when another person posts a reply while they're in the middle of typing their own, so they joke that someone snuck in like a ninja and replied before them.

Edited by homogenized
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-30 07:13:48

" "Ninja'd" is TV Tropes slang people sometimes use when another person posts a reply while they're in the middle of typing their own, so they joke that someone snuck in like a ninja and replied before them." Thanks for such knowledge

Amonimus (Sergeant)
2023-01-30 07:15:36

"Ninja'd" = "someone has posted what I was about to, while I was typing"

For the record, "I have a mental thing" is never taken as an excuse if some manual of style is not followed after being told so. If an editor requires cleaning after them, the site is free to just not let edit until they can assure they've learned how to do it proper.

Regarding that custom title, it only depends on the moderator in charge of that being online, if they reject the name they'll say so.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-30 07:28:35

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Dopamine Mess-14-qq

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Dopamine Mess-14-qq

Does it count?

Edited by DopamineMess-14-qq
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-30 07:30:19

"Tropers" misses every time, damn

DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-30 07:33:42

  • Facepalm*

Edited by DopamineMess-14-qq
Amonimus (Sergeant)
2023-01-30 07:34:11

Sandbox.{{DopamineMess-14-qq}}, Sandbox.DopamineMess-14-qq

You can edits own posts here.

Edited by Amonimus TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-30 07:38:01

If i properly understand, "Sandbox" meant to be filled with draft versions of actual articles before they get posted, right?

DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-30 07:39:35

I messaged Macron Notes about changing title, but she doesn't reply. Any other unbusy mods outta here?

DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-30 07:45:10

"I messaged Macron Notes about changing title, but she doesn't reply. Any other unbusy mods outta here?"

Probably sounded harsh, sorry if that did

Ultimatum (Old as dirt)
2023-01-30 07:46:27

43 replies holy shit

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-30 07:49:22

Is it bad? I'm sorry if it is, i didn't mean anything bad

Amonimus (Sergeant)
2023-01-30 07:52:09

It just means Ask The Tropers is typically for "report and done" problems with pages. Since it's not a usual issue, I'm unsure what forum to suggest for enough people to help you get started.

Sandbox/ pages a "personal", meaning almost anything goes on there and nobody would complain, which is good for testing purposes for the writing.

Edited by Amonimus TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-30 07:56:53

And what's up with mods?

Edited by DopamineMess-14-qq
DopamineMess-14-qq Since: Jan, 2023
2023-01-30 08:02:01

" what forum to suggest for enough people to help you get started. "

I'll handle it myself, okay?

MacronNotes (Captain)
2023-01-30 08:25:04

This query is getting long and ATT isn't suited for in depth for conversation. I'd suggest that you go to the Russian translations thread if it was active but I think it's best for you to focus on better familiarizing yourself as a new user (Welcome to TV Tropes was already linked to you earlier). I don't think new users should immediately jump into more complex projects like the translations project.

Locking.

Edited by MacronNotes Macron's notes
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