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VerySunshine Since: May, 2016
2022-10-18 16:51:48

Something like Harsher in Hindsight, but for events that happened concurrently? Maybe Values Dissonance?

Bisected8 MOD (Primordial Chaos)
2022-10-18 18:05:26

Do we have something for the circumstances of a work's production undercutting its message?

EDIT: from Undermined By Reality:Don't Shoot the Message (the overall point of "companies exploiting their employees for cheap labour" is valid, even if RT themselves are guilty of the very same)?

Edited by Bisected8 TV Tropes's No. 1 bread themed lesbian. she/her, fae/faer
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
2022-10-19 17:47:28

I'm not sure Don't Shoot the Message works. It seems to be about a work as a whole, and it's about how something is presented.

When you put it like "the circumstances of a work's production undercutting its message" it does sound like we should have something that covers that. The closest that I know of is Troubled Production.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
2022-11-02 17:55:56

Given how She Hulk has a similar Harsher in Hindsight entry that's currently being debated (context: a joke that was made about special effects turned out to not really be funny because it was recently found out that the VFX team for Marvel were getting seriously underpaid and crunched), it might be worth its salt to see what happens to that.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
2022-11-02 20:18:35

Oh, that is interesting. Yes, it would definitely be a good idea to handle both examples in the same way. Where is that discussion taking place?

Edited by Wyldchyld If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
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