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laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
2022-10-01 18:13:50

Unless there is a creative element (i.e. a narrative of some sort) with tropable elements, the website, while interesting, should not get a page.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
underCoverSailsman Since: Jan, 2021
2022-10-01 19:13:41

The text of the section pages seems to simply be a trope-potholed copy of the text of original source list, so in violation of the Plagiarism policy? (I know that we have a very specific exception for the Evil Overlord List, but I don't think that there is an exception for this one...)

Edited by underCoverSailsman
Kuruni (Long Runner)
2022-10-01 22:09:21

^ I don't know either. What I know, however, is that the index Books on Trope include several of them with similar format. Like The RPG Cliches Game, The Fantasy Novelists Exam, and The Grand List of Console Role Playing Game Clichés.

There're also other pages on that index that use their own format like 45 Master Characters and The Complete Writer's Guide to Heroes & Heroines.

None of them have tropes list. I think that's the biggest problem since they're work pages, not Useful Notes or Just for Fun.

Edited by Kuruni
Tonwen Since: Dec, 2021
2022-10-02 20:00:22

Sorry to bump this

But I personally don't think this is tropeworthy, at least not as a works page, neither are any of the things listed above ^

I know we have Evil Overlord List, but that's

1. In Main, not a work page 2. A special Grandfathered in exception due to its status as a major cornerstone of the site.

"Grandmaster Combat, son!"
Kuruni (Long Runner)
2022-10-03 01:01:00

Agree. Consider there're Books on Trope pages with similar subject yet using proper tropes list like Fantasy Encyclopedia, Fenimore Coopers Literary Offences, and The Four Loves, there's no real reason why those tropeless pages should exist as work pages (I'm fine with them being JFF though).

But I think we need mod's input here.

Edited by Kuruni
WillyFourEyes (Troper Sage)
2022-10-03 16:17:42

As a major contributor to the blue linking of The Grand List of Console Role Playing Game Clichés years ago, I vote to keep the page, but not in its current format. It'll take a while to convert it to a tropable list, though. Should we open up a Sandbox for it?

"If struck hard enough, even the plumpest pigs can fly."
Kuruni (Long Runner)
2022-10-05 02:58:20

Bump again.

If this query fall to second page without mod's input again, I'll just start sending those tropeless pages to the Cut List (on the ground that they have no trope).

Amonimus (Sergeant)
2022-10-05 03:01:49

Websites are Works, so they have to follow the Work rules and not be tropeless stubs. Moreover, if they copy lists from their origins, we legally can't keep them.

If someone can reformat the lists into respective tropes with text, it would solve the issues.

Edited by Amonimus TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
GnomeTitan Since: Aug, 2013
2022-10-05 03:57:28

It looks like this "work page" is actually just a copy of the list of the original site, with added sinkholes to applicable tropes. Doesn't that count as plagiarism?

Kuruni (Long Runner)
2022-10-08 00:28:58

Alright, I sent all problematic pages (and their subpages) in this query to the Cut List (except The Grand List of Console Role Playing Game Clichés since Willy Four Eyes is working on it).

I will look through Books on Trope after a cutmaster process this round of cut request (unless they deny it).

Kuruni (Long Runner)
2022-10-08 01:43:47

They're declined, but at least it spark more discussion here.

Edited by Kuruni
GastonRabbit MOD (General of TV Troops)
2022-10-08 05:52:50

Let's just move further discussion to that thread.

You can't just say "perchance".
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