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Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2022-07-19 20:49:56

A lot of people? It launched today and Theriocephalus is the only one who has edited it.

Maybe talk to them or look at the draft and see if something's wrong?

CryptidProductions Since: Mar, 2019
2022-07-19 21:26:35

If the same person wrote every entry that would explain why it's a persistent issue across the page

laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
2022-07-19 22:34:57

I'm not sure what you're trying to say or achieve here. The way you've worded this, I'm not sure what the issue is, or even what examples are wrong (are they wrong?).

If the included information is false, then you can simply remove it.

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harryhenry Since: Jan, 2012
2022-07-19 23:10:40

^^ In the TLP tropers often suggest examples that OP adds to the draft, so it's gonna be multiple users making this error.

CryptidProductions Since: Mar, 2019
2022-07-20 02:23:33

^^ I'm not in the habit of making large scale edits without discussion because that's how edit wars start

Adept MOD (Holding A Herring)
2022-07-20 02:24:59

I'm still not sure what you're saying the problem is.

Amonimus (Sergeant)
2022-07-20 02:53:27

Please,

  • Quote specific examples.
  • Explain for each how it isn't a case of Artistic License.
So people would be able to agree or disagree with these.

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laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
2022-07-20 09:52:33

From context I assume you are meaning that the examples about unstringing a bow are factually incorrect (for some reason). But you haven't said what specifically is the problem with the entries (technically you haven't even said they are incorrect).

As a side note, I'm not really a fan of these kind of "tropes", since it doesn't seem to be a narrative shorthand for anything, and it always devolves into nitpicking between "experts".

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CryptidProductions Since: Mar, 2019
2022-07-20 23:10:11

That particular bullet-point in the trope is about unstringing a bow to store it to prevent damage.

There's several entries that cite it when characters are just carrying around a bow "holstered" and strung for personal defense, or when it's kept at the ready for home-defense like the Wheel of Time example.

In these cases where it might be needed quickly that would be about like carrying around an unloaded gun

  • Final Fantasy XIV: Bows are always holstered while strung up and quivers worn on one's back rather than one's side. In addition, several attacks involve the use of Multishot to hit a wider area or fire multiple homing arrows at once, though these are justified by the use of magic in tandem with archery.

  • Horizon Zero Dawn:
    • Aloy typically has her bow strung at all times, and she can hold it at full draw for an indefinite length of time.

  • Mount & Blade: The commander of the watch insists on the common error of leaving a crossbow strung when not in active use (especially during rain), claims that unstringing it is a dereliction of duty, and has Bunduk horsewhipped. Later, Bunduk deserts his post and gets drunk in a tavern using money stolen from the commander, before being recruitable by the player.

  • The Order of the Stick: Haley, the party's rogue, is typically depicted as keeping her bow strung at all times, even when it's kept slung across her back when not in use.

  • The Wheel of Time: Lampshaded in "The Dragon Reborn", when Rand and Mat attempt to sneak into a farmstead's barn to spend the night. The farmers threaten them with bows, and Rand points out that the husband has too many fingers on the bowstring. The trope is also played straight in that the farmer has the bow at full draw throughout the scene, and that throughout the season, Rand's own bow is only ever shown being strung, even when not in use.

Edited by CryptidProductions
GastonRabbit MOD (General of TV Troops)
2022-07-21 00:50:38

I'll mention this to the other mods, because my lack of experience with TLP means I'd feel more comfortable deferring to the mods who are active on TLP when it comes to whether this needs to be unlaunched.

Also, for future reference, problems with newly launched drafts should be reported in the TLP Crash Rescue thread and not ATT.

Edited by GastonRabbit You can't just say "perchance".
CryptidProductions Since: Mar, 2019
2022-07-22 01:27:02

I didn't realize it was a fresh trope when I made this thread

Tabs MOD Since: Jan, 2001
2022-07-22 11:43:29

Since this is a single bullet point (and maybe contributors on the TLP misinterpreting its meaning?), I'm really not inclined to unlaunch a fully wicked trope. If individual examples are justifiable or there's in-universe reason for a character keeping a bow strung, they probably aren't examples of Artistic License.

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-07-22 12:57:41

I assume that if these examples are problematic, then it's just because people saw the bullet point and said "Oh, I guess this example counts". Because archery isn't something everyone knows a lot about.

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CryptidProductions Since: Mar, 2019
2022-07-22 21:59:58

I don't think it needs unlaunched

I just think all the examples not pertaining to specifically storing it away need to be removed or modified and the bullet point clarified. As of now people seem to think you unstring a bow every time you put back on your back or otherwise "holster" it and are troping based on that.

Should also be clarified compound bows work a lot different than traditional two-piece bows because of the materials and pully system.

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