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It was too hostile, I agree, but the entry itself was pretty bad IMO. Here's the entry for reference (with some questionable parts bolded):
- Franchise Original Sin: Battlefield 1 could be blamed for the divisive Politically Correct History depiction in its sequel Battlefield V. In this game, non-white soldiers are overrepresented in multiplayer among certain armies, the Russian Women's Battalion of Death gets a serious Historical Badass Upgrade, and Zara Ghufran, the female protagonist of "Nothing is Written", plays a larger role in the Arab Revolt than any real Arab women did in the actual events.
I believe the entry itself is invalid. The edit reason is still rude, though, so I'll send a notifier.
EDIT: Sent.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton Works That Require Cleanup Of Complaining | Troper WallSent a rudeness notifier for the edit reason. I can't parse out what the entry is trying to say, especially since I haven't played the game.
Also, probably not an example of Franchise Original Sin (that trope is rife with misuse).
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose meI'd say it's a reasonable removal. One wouldn't really say that more women and minorities is something that any reasonable fan of the franchise is bothered by; it feels like an attempt to complain and suggest that it's a problem (which wouldn't fit the formal description of a dogwhistle - a term intended to seem benign to those not in the knownote - but it gets across that it's iffy, and why).
The edit reason (in full "Good lord that was a racist anf sexist dogwhistle") doesn't strike me as hostile or rude (it doesn't insult any other tropers, and the tone feels more exasperated than anything).
TV Tropes's No. 1 bread themed lesbian. she/her, fae/faerMy only concern here is that it might fall under the gray area of "probably a prejudiced way to think, but might be a legitimate audience reaction".
IDK the work or the fandom so I can't speak on if it is legitimate. I'm just pointing out the possibility that maybe it does represent how some people in the fandom feel. We can't just erase opinions solely for being ones we disagree with, though if this is the case then the example absolutely needs to be rewritten to make it obvious it's not TVT's opinion on the games.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall^^Isn't it still accusing the person who added the entry of racism and sexism? That seems a little iffy.
^FWIW, most players were fine with the inclusion of more women and POC because the game still felt grounded in history and reality. It was only when the historical inaccuracy was done in a way that was clearly inauthentic that it really became a problem.
Edited by ImperialMajestyXO^But if it's an accurate description, it's accurate. I agree with the notion that saying a game overrepresents minority and female characters is racist and sexist of the microaggression variety. I don't think pointing that out is aggressive or required a rudeness notifier, tbh.
However, I'm with WarJay77. It is not uncommon for fandoms to have not insignificant groups that do react to something with racism/sexism and its not the first time I've heard/seen it from a "historical" work either. If it was an actual reaction of the fandom, then it should be documented, albeit rewritten to emphasize that this was a fandom opinion, and not the site's. I don't think we need to debate on whether or not the reaction was bigoted but rather, whether or not the reaction existed and is being accurately reflected
Edited by amathieu13I'm not so sure; if it's a small part of the fandom, then; 1) We should be wary of giving the impression it's a widespread opinion (which I suspect is what the entry in question was doing), 2) Franchise Original Sin isn't the appropriate trope (it's about issues the overall fanbase have being Older Than They Think; if the overwhelming majority of fans don't have a problem, then it doesn't really fit).
TV Tropes's No. 1 bread themed lesbian. she/her, fae/faerI think the problem is that, while you're all right about it being a legitimate audience reaction, the way the entry was written seems to come off as if it's agreeing with the opinion, rather than simply stating it.
Works That Require Cleanup Of Complaining | Troper WallYeah, go ahead with a rewrite.
And, yeah, I agree that whether or not the opinion is real, the example as currently written is bad.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallAlright:
- Franchise Original Sin: Some fans of the series complained about the attempts at representing women and people of color in Battlefield V, saying the game made certain factions more ethnically diverse than they were in reality and exaggerated the roles women played, which clashed with the historical games' previous attempts at accuracy. This trend actually began here: the multiplayer implies that ethnic minority soldiers were more common than they actually were in some nations' armies, the Russian Women's Battalion of Death is made into an active combat unit when it was largely ceremonial in real life, and "Nothing is Written" includes a woman named Zara who plays a more active role in the Arab Revolt than any real women are known to have done. However, this was more widely accepted here because their inclusion and the overall game felt more grounded in historical reality. The same was not true of Battlefield V, which was far more divorced from reality with its wacky customizable uniforms and inclusion of women in historically all-male units like the British SAS, so the perceived revisionism was viewed in a less charitable light, especially since the game already had to deal with immersion-breaking glitches.
Reading the example, it's not very clear what happened in which game. Did Battlefield V feature the Russian Women's Battalion of Death? Did Battlefield I? What was the "sin" of Battlefield V and how did it originate in Battlefield I (and why was it acceptable in I, but not in V)?
EDIT: I'll strike the parenthetical as per below, but my main issue is that the entry isn't at all clear on what's going on.
Edited by laserviking42 I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose meWell, to be fair, the TRS pretty recently removed the "must have been acceptable beforehand" requirement to try and cut down on complaining. So that but doesn't really need to be said, but if it's true then by all means, say it.
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On YMMV.Battlefield 1, Mr Combine removed
an instance of Franchise Original Sin with an edit reason calling it a "racist anf [sic] sexist dogwhistle". In fairness, I think the entry could have used some more explanation (since as written, it could easily be taken to imply that female and POC representation was an issue in itself), but I think their edit reason was a bit too hostile.