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laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
2022-04-22 12:30:52

I believe it is to be treated similarly to other content that you have to buy to experience (i.e. almost all media made). There is little difference between pledging to patreon and buying a movie ticket.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2022-04-22 13:08:50

What should be done with the notes? I’ve sent the editors a link to the prior ATT but I’ve haven’t received a response.

laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
2022-04-22 13:14:13

The note is weird, they seem to be arguing that since the creator essentially paywalled them, they are somehow to be treated as private, and not as work that the creator sold for money in the grand tradition of pretty much every artist ever.

I'd remove it personally.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2022-04-22 13:18:11

I’ll send them a PM here just to be safe.

GnomeTitan Since: Aug, 2013
2022-04-22 13:19:56

Putting something on Patreon is not different from selling tickets to a performance. I think that the difference between private and public material is not in whether you have to pay for the content (or we’d not basically not be able to trope any work that's still under copyright) but in whether there’s some sort of vetting of the audience so that not everyone who is willing to pay for the content is allowed to see it.

mightymewtron Since: Oct, 2012
2022-04-22 13:50:14

It's not like you're posting the whole comic on the trope page as that'd be plagiarism. You're probably allowed to just talk about the content if you don't post screenshots or anything else that would be technical piracy.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2022-04-22 14:29:37

One of them has taken down the note on the main page. The one on the YMMV is still there, so I don't know if they've read it yet.

PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
2022-04-22 14:58:38

Removing it citing this ATT.

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2022-04-22 15:00:53

There's also one on the Funny Moments page. Any additional thoughts, or should I just remove it?

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2022-09-22 10:04:06

Sorry to bring this back from the dead, but it seems that examples about Patreon content are being removed again based on the logic that the context isn’t apparent without access.

DarkHunter Since: Jan, 2001
2022-09-23 08:57:39

If the examples are not providing the context, then it is correct to cut them for being Zero Context Examples.

That said, content being behind a paywall does not have any bearing on whether it's tropable to my knowledge. Books and movies need to be bought before they can be experienced as well.

Edited by DarkHunter
Synchronicity MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2022-09-23 09:29:33

The closest we have to such a policy is ^ but folks can decide on their own if content on a different access tier should be hidden in some way (this is the case for RWBY and was for Naruto while it was running). If otherwise correct (meaning not-ZCE) examples were unilaterally removed, then they can be reverted.

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2022-09-23 09:32:24

Here’s the most recent removal for example

GnomeTitan Since: Aug, 2013
2022-09-23 09:34:58

Yes, if the context isn't apparent without following a link off-site, then it's a ZCE, irrespecitve of whether there's a paywall or not. Open links are just as bad as Patreon ones.

Apart from that, Patreon is just like any paywalled source. "Private content" means that the creator limits access based on other criteria than if you pay or not. Patreon is open to anyone who is willing to pay, so it's not any more private than e.g. Netflix.

Edited by GnomeTitan
Amonimus (Sergeant)
2022-09-23 10:56:26

Just restore the examples with full context that were cut for this reason (though the ^^ one has no edit reason so it may warrant a notifier)

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2022-09-23 11:31:31

I sent them a PM directing them here.

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2022-10-13 09:43:50

Sorry to bring this up again, but I was looking on the page to see updates and I noticed in the edit history the same troper who added the note/removed examples just removed more such Patreon examples with the edit reason “ Do not spoil/support the creator.”

Amonimus (Sergeant)
2022-10-13 09:57:54

This edit.

Is this borderline vandalism?

Edited by Amonimus TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Tabs MOD Since: Jan, 2001
2022-10-13 11:07:44

I've reverted those changes.

GnomeTitan Since: Aug, 2013
2022-10-13 16:02:53

Removing references to paywalled content with the reason ”don’t support the creator” seems like editing with an anti-creator agenda. Thissite is not supposed to take that kind of stand.

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2022-10-13 16:09:47

I think they were saying to support the creator by paying for the Patreon and not mentioning it to non patrons. The “don’t” seemed to only be in reference to posting spoilers.

Edited by costanton11
Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2022-10-13 18:44:08

Has anyone P Med the troper in question and explained to them what's going on?

laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
2022-10-13 18:46:12

Apparently, they were sent a message.

Twice.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2022-11-10 13:54:54

Sorry to bring this up again, but on the heartwarming page, examples relating to the Patreon exclusive content were commented out (not by the same person who did the earlier edits). I’ve sent them a link to this thread.

Cutegirl920fire (Five Long Years)
2022-11-10 13:57:37

^ You're better off making a new ATT report (and link to this one in the new one) then necro'ing this query.

CG for short
costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2022-11-10 14:03:00

I’ll make a new thread. This can probably be locked.

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