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laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
2022-03-20 23:09:15

The name sounded familiar so I checked, and their first appearance on TVTropes was in an ATT thread where they persistently questioned a trans interpretation of the new Matrix movie. They did all this before a single wiki edit or forum post.

Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I really thought it suspicious that a troper with no history on the site suddenly jumped in Ask The Tropers on a very ROCEJ topic. Not to mention that they have a lot of insider knowledge for someone with no edits. Their edits (all six of them) similarly display knowledge of supertropes and the ins and outs of The Scrappy.

In addition:

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Eiryu Since: Dec, 2013
2022-03-20 23:11:18

Yeah it feels like an account for an older troper, evader or not.

Edited by Eiryu
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
2022-03-21 00:19:54

The Noble Savage edit seemed a little agenda-y to me, but also kind of...fine. Like the edit itself, if not the reason. Those last two sentences were added just last month, without anything like consensus, and walking into a trope's main description and giving it a percentage rating as to how much it contributes to fascism is, itself, agenda-driven.

Zyffyr Since: Apr, 2010
2022-03-21 04:35:34

^That is my feeling on that one as well.

Eiryu Since: Dec, 2013
2022-03-21 06:16:55

I'm not sure it's wrong, either, but I saw the edit reason in "Recent edit reasons" and my eyebrows went up. Along with their other history, they have been here a very short time with a lot of very particular focus areas that's starting to feel weird.

Willbyr MOD (Y2K)
2022-03-21 06:18:51

One of their I Ps correlates exactly to a somewhat persistent ban evader, but there's several other accounts on that IP that are clean so I wouldn't call that conclusive on its own. A deeper dive is needed than what I have time for ATM.

Tonwen Since: Dec, 2021
2022-03-21 06:27:07

I'm fine with what was deleted from Noble Savage, but the edit is rather agenda-y, as said.

I'd rather just leave it with that bit deleted (also, how can something be "40% of fascism", ideologies aren't really quantitative things).

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Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2022-03-21 07:13:30

Well what that bit is saying is that "good old days" anti-modernism and race supremacy are a big chunk of what drives fascist ideologies which is not inaccurate. But tailing on a trope description is off-topic and ROCEJ violation.

How about this for a slight rewrite?

This trope frequently ends up with racist implications, misrepresenting cultures it's supposed to be inspired by and codifying them into simple stereotypes of primitivity.

Tonwen Since: Dec, 2021
2022-03-21 07:18:19

To be honest I feel like

"Easily leads to Unfortunate Implications, a major one being that any problems a Noble Savage faces is a problem of not living up to an idealized character rather than the simple social implications of the world they live in. Another is that taking this view also tends to distort the actual reality of the Noble Savage in favor of the idealized image."

Already covers the issues inherent to this trope pretty well without need for supplementation.

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Eiryu Since: Dec, 2013
2022-03-22 17:42:13

Bumping this a bit to see if a mod had any time to investigate more thoroughly.

RoundRobin Since: Jun, 2018
2022-03-23 02:30:16

Okay, gotta ask: is Politically Incorrect Villain really a supertrope and thus shouldn't be added in a character page, like this edit claims? (yes, it's the same edit with the Straw Misogynist tidbit)

'Cause I thought that PIV was perfectly okay as a character trope.

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BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
2022-03-23 04:32:59

That troper’s claim is wrong. Politically Incorrect Villain is best I know fine to use as a character trope. That entry shouldn’t have been deleted.

ArsThaumaturgis Since: Nov, 2011
2022-03-23 07:14:36

I may be mistaken, but my impression is that supertropes are deprecated specifically when there is an applicable subtrope under which the entry might instead fall.

(And that, if there is no applicable subtrope, then it's perfectly fine to list an entry under a supertrope.)

In this case, I presume that the subtrope in question would be "Straw Misogynist". Not knowing the work, I don't know whether that does indeed apply, but it is a subtrope of "Politically Incorrect Villain"

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amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
2022-03-23 19:12:57

^yeah thats typically how subtropes and supertropes are handled. If an example falls under a subtrope you only list the subtrope to avoid double listing the same example under both the super and the sub since by definition, every subtrope example is also an example of the super trope

Piterpicher (Series 2)
2022-03-24 01:07:47

I don't think it is a supertrope-subtrope thing, though. Straw Misogynist lists a few characters which are just jerks or good-aligned. It is on The Jerk Index, but I don't think it's strictly a villain thing. So they might have been right.

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ArsThaumaturgis Since: Nov, 2011
2022-03-24 02:11:49

^ Hmm... The page for Straw Misogynist explicitly indicates that it's a sub-trope of Politically Incorrect Villain. However, by intuition it perhaps shouldn't be—and it does look like that indication was added to the page last year, and without edit reason...

[edit] I'm inquiring about that edit in the "Unilateral Changes Cleanup" thread.

Edited by ArsThaumaturgis My Games and Asset Packs
GastonRabbit MOD (General of TV Troops)
2022-03-24 10:14:16

Folks, this discussion regarding supertrope-subtrope relationships has nothing to do with what was originally reported.

And on the subject of the original report, I compared the geolocation data with that of the ban evader Willbyr mentioned and it was negative, so I'm locking the query. Send rudeness notifiers if necessary.

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