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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-03-09 10:26:00

That spends so little time focusing on the actual trope I forgot what trope they were using for a minute.

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Twiddler MOD (On A Trope Odyssey)
2022-03-09 11:22:44

Yeah, that's bad. Cut it.

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
2022-03-09 12:20:10

I cut it citing this thread. Should I let WarriorsGate know about this and/or take to Trope Finder to see if there is anything to fit?

BlueGuy (Ten years in the joint)
2022-03-09 14:30:11

I'd say you should let them know about this, if nothing else.

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WarriorsGate (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2022-03-09 16:55:20

I wrote that as an overview of the subfranchise's issue with Contrived Coincidence, whereas the actual examples are on the individual work pages. Such as:

  • Contrived Coincidence: The moment Sunset is told she needs to locate the Memory Stone, she looks up and immediately spots Wallflower's computer wallpaper, which is the exact spot Twilight indicated in the journal.

And

  • Contrived Coincidence:
    • Pinkie Pie invents a totally fake "Fun Inspector" position which is mistaken for a real thing by a security guard, who hustles Applejack into a security booth and leaves her unattended despite her protests, and while she's there, one of only five security camera monitors — overseeing a park that holds 50,000 people — just so happens to be aimed at the secluded corner where Vignette zaps her friend into oblivion.
    • Not only do all of the people zapped into the White Void Room fail to notice the door on the wall, but Applejack just so happens to walk close enough to said door that she can hear Twilight speaking. In a normal indoor voice. Inside an insulated room. In the middle of an amusement park.

I presume we can agree those are all contrived coincidences?

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-03-09 16:57:34

The issue was less that the example didn't fit, but that instead of actually adding context you just used the example to bash the series.

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-03-09 16:57:34

double

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WarriorsGate (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2022-03-09 17:00:23

I wouldn't call that bashing. More like an accurate assessment of its flaws. But that's semantics, I guess.

Also, I did add context. I put two examples in parentheticals. Any more would've just taken away from the fact that it was meant as a general overview of a flaw in most of its (longform) entries.

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
2022-03-09 17:15:15

Contrived Coincidences are not innately bad. The "actual examples are on the individual work pages" do describe the examples neutrally.

If it's why the flaws were not as objectionable in FIM, I'd say Franchise Original Sin seems the best fit. I'm having trouble if this is saying it is/isn't valid FOS.

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-03-09 17:29:02

^^ That's the thing. Examples shouldn't be focused on the flaws of the work, but the actual trope itself. You spent so much time discussing why these things are bad that you barely said what the coincidences are.

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WarriorsGate (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2022-03-09 17:30:49

Originally I did, but I cut most of them out to try and be more succinct since it was just an overview.

laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
2022-03-09 17:32:29

It's not supposed to be an overview, you're supposed to clearly and concisely explain how the trope is used in the work.

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-03-09 17:35:25

See Zero-Context Example. We want details about what the trope is and how it's used.

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WarriorsGate (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2022-03-09 17:37:32

I did:

"Pinkie Pie spontaneously guessing Twilight's backstory in the first movie; the fake-out with the White Void Room in Rollercoaster of Friendship".

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-03-09 17:39:11

And what makes those contrived coincidences and not just gags? Especially the second one- as someone who only barely knows the plot of any EQG film after Friendship Games, "The White Void Room" means FA to me.

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WarriorsGate (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2022-03-09 17:53:42

"Mirror Magic" has a magic mirror which deposits people in a white void. "Rollercoaster of Friendship" has a magic smart phone app which seems to also deposit people in a white void, but when Applejack randomly passes by a door in a huge amusement park, she hears Twilight's voice echoing and opens the door to reveal they are really just in a pure white room that has no apparent purpose. It is a gag, but gags should not be used to solve serious plot developments unless you are writing a farce, which RoF is not.

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laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
2022-03-09 17:59:25

You seem to be attaching a judgment to the trope, namely that it "should not be used". That's what others here have tried to tell you, tropes are not good or bad, they simply exist. Your subjective experience that it is bad does not belong in the description, merely explain how it exists in the work.

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-03-09 18:00:54

...Along with context like what you provided ^^. You can't assume people have an idea of what you're referencing. Again, read the ZCE page.

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