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laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
2022-02-25 15:37:45

So Final Boss is for the games last boss, and the example states "While not the final encounter ..."

If it isn't the Final Boss, i.e. the last encounter, then I would have to say the example doesn't fit.

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EmeraldEmperor Since: Oct, 2020
2022-02-25 15:45:06

Sorry, read you message before a class and completely forgot about it after.

I know the Jinx encounter isn't technically a fight, but it's such a violent, high stakes confrontation that I hesitate to rule it out completely. And I feel a Final Boss should have some narrative importance going for it, since we have stuff like Post-Final Boss for fights that aren't major enough to count for the normal trope (not saying this is an example of a PFB, just stating my reasoning for why I thought a Final Boss should be dramatic). This was just a random bar brawl. It's a bit too low stakes and ultimately unimportant for me to be comfortable with, especially when the actual climax only begins after the fight.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor
caivu Since: Sep, 2014
2022-02-25 15:45:24

"Encounter" in the context of a boss generally means "fight," though. From Final Boss: "We may also use this to refer to the final enemy faced by the protagonist(s) in other pieces of fiction." In that sentence, "faced" has the same meaning.

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Amonimus (Sergeant)
2022-02-25 15:47:28

I don't know the work, but a reminder that Post-Final Boss, True Final Boss and Pre-Final Boss exist and could be used if necessary.

Edited by Amonimus TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
MegaMarioMan (Ten years in the joint)
2022-02-25 15:51:20

Climax Boss too, though with the context of "the actual climax only begins after the fight" it may not apply

caivu Since: Sep, 2014
2022-02-25 15:52:34

The only one of those that might work is Pre-Final Boss, but only under the assumption that Jinx would be the actual boss in this situation.

"This was just a random bar brawl. It's a bit too low stakes and ultimately unimportant for me to be comfortable with, especially when the actual climax only begins after the fight."

I don't understand this part. What's low stakes about it? Vi is looking for Jinx, right? She's not there to fight Sevika just for the hell of it. Even if that were true, I don't see anything on Final Boss requiring a specific level of importance to be met.

Edit re: Climax Boss:

"...ideally a Climax Boss would take place somewhere around the two-thirds or three-quarters mark, not nine-tenths." Not disqualifying, but nine-tenths is right about where this fight in question happens (if not later), both in the season and the act.

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EmeraldEmperor Since: Oct, 2020
2022-02-25 16:01:48

Vi was there to fight Sevika for the hell of it, she doesn't mention Jinx at all. I rewatched the scene. And, while I admit I'm not 100% sure about how dramatic a Final Boss should be, a Climax Boss does have to be narratively important.

Ultimately, I just don’t feel comfortable calling someone the final boss when there fight is before the story’s actual climax.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor
caivu Since: Sep, 2014
2022-02-25 16:52:27

You're right, she wasn't there for Jinx; I was mistaken. She was there for Silco. In the very first scene she says "Silco's still out there," and then shows up at his headquarters. Seems clear.

"Ultimately, I just don’t feel comfortable calling someone the final boss when there fight is before the story’s actual climax."

I get it, but if that's something that's irrelevant to the trope, then whether or not it's true shouldn't matter when adding an example. If this element isn't part of what defines this trope, maybe that's something to discuss that should be added.

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EmeraldEmperor Since: Oct, 2020
2022-02-25 17:08:47

I get what you're going for too, but it still feels off. The way I see it: we have Dormammu listed as the Final Boss of Doctor Strange, even thought that encounter isn't really a "fight," but a violent encounter that closes the climax. While I don't think I'd similarly list Jinx as the Final Boss, their encounter is still violent enough and has something remotely resembling a fight (the scuffle for the gun between Jinx and Caitlyn), leaving me unable to truly consider Sevika as the FB.

Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Edited by EmeraldEmperor
TrueShadow1 Since: Dec, 2012
2022-02-25 20:48:59

Maybe we should stop using video game tropes for non video game works, just saying.

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