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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-02-20 17:43:26

You can send a crosswicking notifier. That's what I do.

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MacronNotes (Captain)
2022-02-20 17:52:50

Yes, if you see sponsors not crosswicking their drafts, you should notify them.

I rather not have people dump new tropes Pages Needing Wicks just because they are too lazy to crosswick or don't have the time to. I rather them ask others for help first

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MylesHenryVigilSr Since: May, 2021
2022-02-20 20:28:12

Pardon me, but how do I send a notifier?

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StarSword Since: Sep, 2011
2022-02-20 20:31:46

Go to the history page for a work or trope or whatever, scroll down to the user whose edit you want to call attention to, click "send a message", then choose the "crosswick" reason in this case.

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amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
2022-02-20 22:31:12

honestly, if a trope doesn't get crosswicked by the draft launcher after a set amount of time after notifiers get sent, i feel like we should just send it back to the TLP. there are many users who pump out (valid) drafts in the tlp/will have no less than 4 drafts going at any given time and will not properly crosswick them. It feels like an unloading of responsibility, tbh. Creating and launching a draft is fun; it feels good to know you've contributed to the site. Crosswicking is not fun and often thankless work. If someone doesn't want to do the work that comes with launching a draft, then they shouldn't be able to launch that draft imo.

May seem harsh, but as of now, there isn't really a disincentive to just pumping and dumping. Notifiers (in small enough numbers) can be ignored and afaik, "not crosswicking" isn't a bannable offense/doesn't get one's TLP privileges revoked. There needs to be some kind of tangible repercussion in place to curb the behavior if we want to see less of it.

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Amonimus (Sergeant)
2022-02-20 22:44:35

It's in the TLP Guidelines, "Crosswick Your Trope Page".

I don't think sending TLP back is a good idea since they are community efforts and crosswicking is also a free action. But it's a good idea to check the new launches and if it doesn't look like the launcher is bothering to wrap up the work they should be given a boot to the head a reminder to go do that. While crosswicking isn't bannable, ignoring notifiers is and can send the troper to a chat room if anything else also shows up.

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amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
2022-02-21 11:51:16

TLP drafts are only sorta community efforts, that's why sponsors exist, no? they're the ones responsible for the nitty-gritty of their draft: basic idea, writing, editing, incorporating feedback, properly formatting. While drafts are a group effort from a concept standpoint, from a labor standpoint, it falls mostly on the sponsor, as it should, otherwise we're bound to have a collective action problem on our hands where corrections and other relevant things don't get done because everyone wants to free-ride/pray someone else handles the hard part.

If notifiers alone would work I'd agree with you, but sending notifiers is how we currently do things and the issue still persists, quite a bit.

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Twiddler MOD (On A Trope Odyssey)
2022-02-21 12:06:47

But if a trope is only partly crosswicked, that will still create work for other people. Either the crosswicking needs to be finished, or it is sent back to TLP and needs to be un-crosswicked.

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-02-21 13:04:31

May seem harsh, but as of now, there isn't really a disincentive to just pumping and dumping. Notifiers (in small enough numbers) can be ignored and afaik, "not crosswicking" isn't a bannable offense/doesn't get one's TLP privileges revoked. There needs to be some kind of tangible repercussion in place to curb the behavior if we want to see less of it.

Actually, at least one troper has been suspended for it. If someone refuses to do it after being told multiple times, you can absolutely report it.

And, I agree that crosswicking is a job for the sponsor primarily. Launching is a whole process and responsibility- stealth launching isn't the only reason people are encouraged to wait.

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amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
2022-03-04 04:49:45

seeing as I sent 6 messages to users this morning who didn't crosswick their recently launched drafts (out of a random selection of 8), I think we can safely say this is a wider issue that should be dealt with. I really do think there needs to be something preventive rather than just reactive seeing as we'll only know if someone checks.

(Also Poisoned Drink Drop was one of the notifiers I sent. Since that was a trope that Myles pointed out in their initial post, it's probs time that the launcher of that one ~hodges14 should get called in)

MacronNotes (Captain)
2022-03-04 05:43:34

Hodges 14 has been TLP suspended for not crosswicking their launches despite multiple notifiers.

I think it's best to make separate queries for users who haven't crosswicked any of their launches despite multiple notifiers/pings

Also, further talk about how crosswicking should be enforced should probably be moved to the forums

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Amonimus (Sergeant)
2022-03-04 06:01:06

I think this and this threads can work?

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amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
2022-03-04 06:07:29

While the latter page is used for people to get help crosswicking under crosswicked pages, can it also be used for pinging users who haven't crosswicked their drafts, similar to tlp crash rescue? notifiers are great and all, but I think the semi-public call out would help

Amonimus (Sergeant)
2022-03-04 06:10:59

^ that's what it's often used for, and it just occurred that I may've delayed the query from being locked.

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MacronNotes (Captain)
2022-03-04 06:12:29

I think people have done that multiple times on that thread so it's fine.

Locking this as resolved

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