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Renaming is out of the question because Shout-Out is a pretty well-known concept, and no one has ever heard of intertextuality.
Well, yes, Obligatory Intertextuality does appear to be what we mean by Shout-Out, just with a more meaningful name, that "texts" "inter" each other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intertextuality#Types
^ thank you very much, that was what I was thinking about. I'm planning to do an Intertextuality draft soon, maybe I can link the index.
^^ I'd argue intertext is very well-known, and it is almost as integral to fiction history as terms such as climax, verissimilitude, metalanguage and bathos, but I agree that renaming the index is redundant.
Edited by good-morning oh hey how are you doing?Yea, Intertextuality is relatively new and academic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intertextuality#History
Says it was coined by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Kristeva
Born 24 June 1941. If we assume she was 20 when she coined it, then it's only been around ~50 years.
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576^^^^ I'm a writing major, and I have not heard of intertextuality. I have heard of and studied the other four listed however.
We can put a sentence in the description that the (the dictionary calls it/more formal term for it/otherwise known as) intertextuality, but Shout-Out has way too many wicks and inbound links for a rename.
^ Yep, compared to the others (which are all Older Than Steam at the least: verisimilitude is Older Than Feudalism), Intertextuality is ... Older Than Cable TV (the book she wrote in which she publicizes the concept was published in 1980).
Edited by Hello83433 CSP Cleanup Thread | All that I ask for ... is diamonds and dance floorsWell. I majored in writing and definitely spent time discussing intertextuality. And I’ve been out of school for a while.
It’s not that new. It’s one of the basic foundations of literary criticism.
Do I think we need a page on it here? Probably not. But it certainly is not an obscure concept.
Edited by EiryuFrom what I could quickly research the term was coined in the mid 70s.
However, intertextuality refers to the shared elements between whatever works are being compared. That is not the same thing as a Shout-Out. I really don't see a need to shoehorn one of the most used tropes on the site into a formal literary analysis concept.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me^ - Are you talking about Intertextuality in general? Because it seems that Obligatory
is the one that is most Shout-Out-y.
^ Not really? Shout-Out doesn't inherently make comparison, it's just a reference.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallThis wouldn't be the place to do any renaming anyways, but nobody has shown that Shout-Out is confusing or misleading in any way. There is no reason to change the name.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose meI don’t think ATT is the right place for this conversation (and the query is getting long).
I think it’s best to make a Trope Talk thread for this topic.
Macron's notes

Intertextuality is the intentional use of elements of other previous texts, which is what the Shout-Outs Index presents itself as. However, Shout-Out is normally conceived as a superficial reference to a work (one of its redirects is Allusion, for example, what is normally considered a different type of intertextuality from, let's say, Parodies, translations, Pastiches etc.). Is there space for a Definition-Only Page about intertext and its academic divisions? Or could the Shout-Outs Index be renamed (only the index, Shout-Out could stay as it is, even more so considering its popularity), get a redirect after Intertextual Tropes or something similar?
Edited by good-morning