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chasemaddigan Since: Oct, 2011
2022-01-16 15:15:48

Flame Bait isn't an actual namespace. If a trope is labeled Flame Bait (in this case, What An Idiot), it's not to be listed anywhere on a work's page unless it's in-universe only. So, it should just be deleted.

MyFinalEdits (Spin-off Series)
2022-01-16 15:20:16

It can be added in WhatAnIdiot.The Simpsons, just not crosswicked.

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JohnRore Since: Apr, 2021
2022-01-16 15:22:40

I think this particular example is in-universe, but I can't confirm until I watch the rerun tonight. So then you're advising:

  • If it is in universe, then add "in-universe" to YMMV
  • If it is not in universe, delete it altogether from YMMV

And in either case, send the Flame Bait page to the Cut List?

GastonRabbit MOD (General of TV Troops)
2022-01-16 15:48:40

^Yes. FlameBait/ is not a valid namespace.

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-01-16 16:18:21

Can you double check who made the page? Is that still possible? Because there was reports of someone making pages like that a few days ago.

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laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
2022-01-16 16:22:00

OP admits to making the page themselves.

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-01-16 16:23:32

Never mind then! Must've misread.

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2022-01-16 17:32:05

If it's in-universe, you don't keep it on the YMMV tab, you move it to the main page (in this case the recap or main trope section).

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JohnRore Since: Apr, 2021
2022-01-16 17:59:36

Confirmed that it is in-universe. I have done as Crossover Enthusiast suggested.

Maybe that person who was "making pages like that a few days ago" was likewise confused by the flame icon. You can see it in my sandbox, which however doesn't show icons telling people to move entries to Trivia or YMMV.

Can someone adjust the flame icon's text? And if so, what should it be adjusted to?

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-01-16 18:02:50

The reason the other icons aren't showing up is because Flame Bait isn't allowed anywhere, whereas Trivia and YMMV are okay to use in personal sandboxes, so the icons don't trigger. IDK why it mentions a "Flame Bait tab", but I think it would take admin intervention to change it.

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Piterpicher (Series 2)
2022-01-16 18:04:29

The admins would need to change the text to something like "This example contains a FlameBait entry. It should be removed". It's been reported on Query Bugs Before.

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chasemaddigan Since: Oct, 2011
2022-01-16 18:06:10

Okay, when I mean "in-universe", I mean " characters talk about this trope in-universe". The entry is about how Homer was an idiot, which is just What An Idiot played straight (a character does something completely idiotic).

For it to be an in-universe example, it would have to involve a character watching a show and commenting how dumb a character is acting in it. And even then, I'm not sure if What An Idiot is conductive for in-universe examples.

So, that entry shouldn't be on the recap page at all. It should just be cut.

Edited by chasemaddigan
WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-01-16 18:09:01

I don't even know if WAI can apply to Homer because he's always stupid.

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laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
2022-01-16 18:14:59

For reference this is the edit in question.

I have to agree with the above, it's not in-universe at all and should not be on the recap's page.

Edited by laserviking42 I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
JohnRore Since: Apr, 2021
2022-01-16 18:17:56

Just now noticed that it's in the Trope Repair Shop, and it looks like there won't be any resolution on this one way or the other any time soon. This has turned out to be quite a rabbit hole...

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-01-16 18:24:42

What exact resolution are you talking about? Most people just think the example should be deleted.

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JohnRore Since: Apr, 2021
2022-01-16 18:31:14

Should What An Idiot be kept as it is, should it be deleted altogether, should it be... or maybe it would be easiest on me to delete the example on the Simpsons recap and just forget I ever came across that trope.

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2022-01-16 18:36:10

What An Idiot was recently moved to Flame Bait by that thread. Maybe read through it; the actual solution has already been figured out, now we're doing cleanup.

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JohnRore Since: Apr, 2021
2022-01-17 08:27:34

Thanks for clarifying.

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2022-01-17 10:48:47

There’s also the fact that it’s now in the Darth Wiki namespace, which doesn’t go on the main wiki.

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