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MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
2021-11-10 08:13:42

Well, the YMMV pages are generally for quite common audience reactions. As a rule, it's not a good idea to add a trope/opinion there unless you've seen somebody else express that opinion at some point.

AegisP Since: Oct, 2014
2021-11-10 08:22:54

Yeah. YMMV isnt for "I or some person hated this" its for collective opinions.

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Sinister_Sandwich Since: Aug, 2016
2021-11-10 08:27:27

I agree that Narm shouldn't be used for bashing or complaining about personal hangups (hence why I backed down over the Star Wars thing.)

My problem is the majority of Narm entries do not provide any evidence that the opinion is a collective one, and many do seem like one person's attempt to make a work look weaker by citing Narm.

Back to my original question- should Narm examples be supported by evidence, to ensure it isn't just a single troper's opinion? (Much like Unfortunate Implications requires evidence?)

laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
2021-11-10 08:38:32

My problem is the majority of Narm entries do not provide any evidence that the opinion is a collective one, and many do seem like one person's attempt to make a work look weaker by citing Narm.

Sadly the wiki is already filled with bad examples, the solution isn't to create more, but to clean up the bad examples where we can. YMMV is for showing common audience reactions, this cuts down on shoehorned in stealth complaining and flame wars.

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TantaMonty Since: Aug, 2017
2021-11-10 08:39:42

YMMV pages are meant to document general audience reactions, so yes, providing evidence like reviews or discussion threads is usually advisable.

That being said, Narm is one of the most misused tropes on this website and is often used to complain or nitpick. We have a cleanup thread for this very reason.

As for your example, sorry, but it's misuse. If the top comment in this clip is any indication, the voice actor's delivery is indeed considered quite poor, but that doesn't make the scene unintentionally funny. In other words, it's a genuine flaw that makes the scene fall flat, but it's not something that is within the trope's scope.

Edited by TantaMonty
Sinister_Sandwich Since: Aug, 2016
2021-11-10 08:59:48

People seem to think that I'm trying to get my example re-instated; I'm not - I fully admit that I was just venting about something that killed the moment for me big time. It should have been removed, but the reason should have been the one Tanta Monty gave (that it doesn't fit the scope of the trope.)

That wasn't the response I got on the edit- I was essentially told "everyone else thinks this is great, provide evidence if you disagree" and it is this attitude which prompted my question.

AegisP Since: Oct, 2014
2021-11-10 09:01:26

Also YMMV is already understood to be both the opinion of a significantly sized faction of people AND not completely universal as to be objective. It doesnt need to constantly remind people.

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2021-11-10 11:55:18

^ To clarify, examples don't need to repeatedly note that the opinion is shared by "a lot of people". They just need to be widespread enough that someone can find people sharing and discussing that opinion elsewhere on the interwebs. The more people who talk about it the more likely it is to qualify.

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