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GoodGamer14 Since: Aug, 2015
2021-08-23 18:49:43

It happened and has been something that has stayed with him.

I didn't knew about this until some people told me this was the reason he took a hiatus and stopped patreon payments for a while.

crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
2021-08-23 18:55:50

Appears to be an Immediate Regret, not something that "as the writer gets better and looks back on his old work, they'll cringe as they realize how bad it was".

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harryhenry Since: Jan, 2012
2021-08-23 19:40:50

I've also heard Old Shame is meant to be for works neither the audience or the creator likes, at least according to that trope's description where it compares itself to Creator Backlash.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010
2021-08-23 21:40:21

^That's actually super unclear. There are currently listed cases of Old Shame where the work isn't particularly disliked by audiences.

mightymewtron Since: Oct, 2012
2021-08-23 22:10:39

It sounds like a possible complaint magnet by that metric, but it does make sense as a distinguishing factor, and it also covers obscure works and So Okay, It's Average works. Though the idea of "tries to completely distance themself from the work" seems like a better metric. (Maybe we could hammer this distinction out in Trope Talk or TRS...)

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Bisected8 MOD (Primordial Chaos)
2021-08-24 05:22:12

Either way, what to do with this entry? The "due to him condemming condemning the game's detractors as closed-minded, entiltled entitled and/or transphobic" part is straight up complaining, but there's not much point in rewriting it if the entry's wrong in the first place.

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Tabs MOD Since: Jan, 2001
2021-08-24 08:43:42

What crazysam said - this feels like "Immediate Regret" than Old Shame. (The "Old" part is missing...)

GoodGamer14 Since: Aug, 2015
2021-08-24 12:25:59

I think he feels his wording came out wrong during The Last of Us retrospective as some people more aware than I am have said. I don't follow him on patreon since most of his announcements are paywalled so I don't know the details.

Bisected8 MOD (Primordial Chaos)
2021-08-24 15:52:48

Well, we don't need citations, but who exactly are these "some people"?

I've been googling like a madwoman, and I haven't found anything beyond the public comment on his video (there's nothing about it on his twitter).

I've noticed that Good Gamer has edited the example in question to specifically remove the references to transphobia, but the example overall still suggests the (demonstrably false) claim that he was strawmanning critics of the game instead of giving a nuanced (but positive) critique (while mentioning some negative critics had less than pure motives).

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Reymma Since: Feb, 2015
2021-08-24 16:15:15

I would remove it on the grounds that Old Shame (and Creator Backlash) must apply to the work as a whole, or at least a major part of it. This sounds more like a retraction, which any kind of journalist or commentator will want to do at some point. It's too minor.

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keyblade333 Since: Sep, 2013
2021-08-24 16:40:12

It isn't worth being on there honestly.

Muramasa got.
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