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mightymewtron Since: Oct, 2012
2021-05-31 10:39:10

Given the backlash the movie received, these audience reactions probably are valid (besides Pandering to the Base, I do not know what that's about), but could be rewritten to not rely as much on meta stuff. For example, in They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character, if they explained literally anything about Music's character that would make her compelling, because even most autistic people I know were never really interested in her character conceptually.

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Zuxtron (On A Trope Odyssey)
2021-05-31 10:45:58

I agree that they can be valid (I tried rewriting some of them), but Unintentionally Sympathetic probably isn't since I don't think Music was meant to be seen as unsympathetic. And bringing in real-life issues is just unnecessary.

iamconstantine Since: Aug, 2014
2021-05-31 10:50:59

Yeah, the reactions that this movie received definitely warrant mention. But as is every case with extremely controversial films, the entries have to be written like "this is how people feel" and not "here's why I think this sucks."

"Seriously, Music and Maddie should have deserved better, and should have been not made as caricatures not just for autistic people, but also for disabled people in general."
"If this film actually received any help from REAL autistic people..."

It's been said many times that this film has a pretty offensive portrayal of autistic characters, but the YMMV page shouldn't be filled with opinions-presented-as-fact or angry commentary like above. The first case should be written along the lines of "Many audience members feel that the film portrayed Maddie and Music as caricatures for autistic people instead of actual characters."

iamconstantine Since: Aug, 2014
2021-05-31 10:52:46

^ And yeah, the Unintentionally Sympathetic entry sounds more like it's just reiterating the same point under TWAPGP: that the film should have focused more on Music than Zu.

mightymewtron Since: Oct, 2012
2021-05-31 11:33:28

^^ Maddie is the name of Music's actress, so that part is just meta complaining.

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iamconstantine Since: Aug, 2014
2021-05-31 11:40:11

^ Oh, my bad. Thought they were two characters in the movie.

Zuxtron (On A Trope Odyssey)
2021-06-26 20:34:54

Bump because they added another example to the page:

  • Harsher in Hindsight: A so-called "technique" used for calming down autistic people by physically restraining them, laying on top of them, immobilizing and make them have difficulty breathing? Isn't that similarly what killed George Floyd?

I'm not sure if this is even a valid example, but it's aggressively negative, and the last sentence has a bit of poor grammar again ("similarly" instead of "similar to") as well as unnecessary Bold Inflation.

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2021-06-26 20:37:05

It can't even be an example even if it wasn't overly aggressive- Floyd died before the film came out.

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Zuxtron (On A Trope Odyssey)
2021-06-26 21:09:16

I mean, the scene might have been filmed before he died, which is why I didn't mention that problem specifically.

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2021-06-26 21:11:35

Yeah, but that doesn't make it hindsight. That requires viewers to see the work first. That's why it's Hindsight.

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HMSquared Since: Nov, 2018
2021-06-26 21:19:05

As a person who spent a LOT of time following reactions to this movie, I would say the negativity is definitely valid. As stated above, it just needs to sound like a general opinion and not one person’s statement.

Zuxtron (On A Trope Odyssey)
2021-06-27 06:59:48

Yes, I was completely expecting it to have lots of negative reactions on the page, but this troper seems to be using it to vent out their frustrations rather than to genuinely record their observations.

Plus there's the issue of frequent grammar errors.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
2021-06-27 07:32:00

On that note have any complaining notifiers been sent? The OP only mentions a grammar notifier.

Zuxtron (On A Trope Odyssey)
2021-06-27 09:14:35

I've sent one complaining notifier in response to the edits in the OP. The grammar notifier was earlier than this.

Zuxtron (On A Trope Odyssey)
2021-09-05 09:37:21

Bumping to add that they've made another negatively-charged, possibly ROCEJ-breaking edit to Trivia.Music 2021, calling Sia a Hypocrite because she doesn't like Complaining About Shows You Don't Watch (even if we ignore that Hypocrite is on No Real Life Examples, Please!, I don't think that really even counts as hypocrisy).

It seems like this movie is a Single-Issue Wonk for Radiant Dawn Lord. I understand that most autistic people (including me) loathe the movie and Sia, but they're taking this a bit too far by using the wiki to vent out their frustrations, for a movie that's been out for months now.

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MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
2021-09-05 10:25:40

As an autistic person, let me just say that I find RDL's behaviour darn exaggerated. I've reverted the entry, because it does break ROCEJ in my opinion.

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