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Piterpicher (Series 2)
2021-05-20 06:26:00

I'd say yes. If a quote's needed, its text should be left unaltered.

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MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
2021-05-20 06:28:01

Yes. If you quote the work, then quote the work. Also, whether it's right to censor N-words that are used by a black creator is a can of worms we do not need to open up.

(Also, why specify that you mean the N-word with the hard R? Surely the word "n*gga*" is every bit as inappropriate?)

Piterpicher (Series 2)
2021-05-20 06:30:31

The one with the a is generally used more in a friendly context, like "You're my n*gga, bro!"

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shadowblack Since: Jun, 2010
2021-05-20 06:32:12

Do not alter quotes in any way. Keep the text exactly as it is in the original, including any slurs, typos, bad grammar, etc. - that's what a quote is. I think the only change that is acceptable is skipping part of the text that is not relevant to the example - usually done as "text [...] text".

RallyBot2 (Elder Troper)
2021-05-20 07:54:42

Don't alter quotes (except to remove irrelevant information.) Ever.

And there is absolutely no rule against the use of certain words on this site.

Bisected8 MOD (Primordial Chaos)
2021-05-20 08:02:19

While there's no rule against specific words, there's plenty of rules on civility and balancing language (e.g. No Lewdness, No Prudishness) that make it obvious that one should not be flinging around slurs (at least without a very good reason).

I'd say if the language in a quote isn't acceptable, there's probably no reason to quote it.

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MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
2021-05-20 08:15:12

^ That seems like a reductive view. What about moden hiphop lyrics?

bwburke94 (Y2: Electric Boogaloo)
2021-05-20 08:55:56

As an aside; is "the other F-word" the one that means cigarette, or the one that means bundle of sticks?

This is why I typically want to avoid T Word Euphemisms, except for N- or the usual meaning of F- as those two are clearly recognizable.

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Synchronicity MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2021-05-20 09:02:49

It's a balancing act. If the slur is relevant to the quote, like say a writeup for an N-Word Privileges example, then don't replace it.

But if you don't need to quote the slur for an example to make sense then don't.

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
2021-05-20 09:03:51

bwburke: I'd say that f*ggot and f*g are equally bad, so it's a moot point.

Bisected8 MOD (Primordial Chaos)
2021-05-20 09:16:09

What about modern hip hop lyrics specifically highlights an issue with my last post?

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jjjj2 Since: Jul, 2015
2021-05-20 09:55:27

I will also point out that the quote in question might be relevant to what happened. It might be Wham Line, but the Wham Line might contain slurs. Or it could be something like The Wire which takes place in inner city Baltimore and the n-word is prevalent for lots of examples. Context matters.

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WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
2021-05-20 10:01:00

Couldn't you use those words in description on tropes?

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
2021-05-20 10:02:10

Bisected: Well, modern hiphop often uses words like "bitch," "n*gger" and the like. Language that's usually considered unacceptable. That doesn't mean we should stop quoting the hiphop songs we trope.

Forenperser Since: Mar, 2012
2021-05-20 10:03:38

I don't think quotes should be censored. Thats Political Correctness Gone Mad

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PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
2021-05-20 12:16:27

[ignore, off-topic]

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WackyPancake Since: May, 2011
2021-05-20 12:29:41

That would be dangerously close to bluenosing. By that logic we shouldn't be able to talk about things like Guy Gibson's dog or H.P. Lovecraft's infamous cat.

It's true those animals didn't have the most tasteful names, and they certainly have aged even worse. But it's a matter of fact that it's what they were called.

Same with quotes, IMO. Don't go around dropping slurs, but if it's necessary to quote someone dropping the N-bomb, then do it. It is what they said. Don't distort facts.

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Exxolon Since: Jul, 2010
2021-05-20 12:43:56

I'm with Synchronicity. Quotations containing those type of epithets should only be used if they are contextually appropriate and essential to the page in question - if you can use an alternative without them do so, but don't censor the words if the quotation we need to use contains them.

Bisected8 MOD (Primordial Chaos)
2021-05-20 14:40:32

@Michael Katsuro: Well, if you're quoting a specific lyric, you can just quote the part that has the trope. If that's not the case, then just use another quote.

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MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
2021-05-21 08:55:41

I mean, sure. I'm not gonna quote it unless it's relevant; that's standard.

Exxolon Since: Jul, 2010
2021-05-21 10:35:48

@Michael Katsuro That's cool, wasn't suggesting that you would - more that I can see some idiot using the precedent to troll by using quotes containing slurs when they are not necessary to end run around censure.

PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
2021-05-21 15:22:57

Alright, my question’s been answered.

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