NATTER ALERT!

Cut the note.

For that example, I don't know the source material, but it looks like it could be condensed like so:

• Demoted to Extra: The Lamp only made sporadic appearances in Colosseum Direct, since it was left in Stephen and Mal's possession and they rarely appeared onscreen throughout the event. It was the main focus of Stephen's bumper, but starting in 2022, its appearances became even less story-driven, and it was mostly relegated to background decoration.

I'll swap it in.

And a huge mess over at WesternAnimation.The Simpsons Movie. The level 2 bullets are fine. The level 3 one in the middle, not so much.

Edited by Berrenta on Mar 21st 2023 at 6:52:53 AM

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The level 3 bullet point could just be made a level 2 one because it's not just about the same moment being edited (also that Access Hollywood entry is not Bowdlerised because it doesn't say anything was censored, just Edited for Syndication). I don't think the ones under the Network Ten part are a problem as they're all correctly referring to the same airing. Also, is this even a natter issue or just indentation? They're all examples (or attempted examples), not conversation.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

To be fair, it seems at first glance to be an attempted addon that went astray, hence why it's here.

Edited by Berrenta on Mar 22nd 2023 at 7:55:39 AM

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I'm copy-pasting this from the removing complaining thread, because this fits better here.

Anyway, I found this entry on Kid Amid the Chaos that I feel like we can cut down. It has a fair bit of word cruft, and it feels like it's missing the point of the trope as well. The original goes like this:

• In The Prince of Egypt, children are everywhere, crying, ducking and generally miserable, when God sends his wrath against the Egyptians. This is supposed to make us dislike the Pharaoh instead of God, however. After all, it's the Pharaoh's fault (kinda) for not agreeing to release the Hebrews. Inverted in the song "When You Believe" are the reverse scenes which produce even more Tear Jerkering. Count 'em, people: A little girl guiding her Grandmother out from slavery's shadow, children racing around Ethiopian followers, a tiny girl leading giant oxen, a baby girl and her doll on Daddy's head, Moses carrying children on his back, a man lifting his infant into the air and teenage girls dancing together. Don't forget that this is the story of a rose-cheeked Hebrew baby and both God and Pharaoh kill first-borns just to prove points.

I condensed it down to this:

• In The Prince of Egypt, many Egyptian children are shown suffering as a result of the plagues being unleashed upon Egypt, to which Moses has an internal moral dilemma over.

How does this sound?

Much better. The original feels like it's trying to make a Moral Dissonance point.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.

Found on Manga.Strawberry Marshmallow:

• But Not Too Foreign: Ana, who hails from the West Country (Cornwall, to be precise), in South West England.
  • Ana's actually an interesting variation, in that she really is pure-blooded British, but has lived in Japan so long she's for all intents and purposes a native.
    • Its a Running Gag that out of all the girls, Ana is actually the WORST at speaking English.

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Here's my attempt of rewriting that:

• But Not Too Foreign: Ana is a pure-blooded British girl (specifically from Cornwall) who lived in Japan for long enough to be considered a native Japanese. Ironically, she is the worst in english out of the four girls.

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Works for me. I swapped it in.

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I found this entry in YMMV.Seven Little Monsters:

• Big-Lipped Alligator Moment: At least in the early episodes, whenever someone mentioned a number higher than 7, the monsters broke into a song and dance, ending with asking the person to never mention the number. It never got a reaction and was ignored immediately afterwards.
  • It might have been discontinued for fear that it would teach kids that saying a number higher than seven was actually bad

The sub-bullet seems like it should be cut, is this the case?

Both natter AND speculation, so cut.

Besides, it just feels unneeded to me, so I feel it should be removed.

This is from TheGreatestStoryNeverTold.Anime And Manga:

Can anyone suggest some trimming? (It will have to be split, with A Certain Scientific Railgun staying on the Anime & Manga page, and A Certain Magical Index going to Literature.)

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.

Cut most of the nattery language and condense the salvageable parts to just a few sentences.

This is on In-Series Nickname/Literature. It seems names matter in these stories, with I Know Your True Name in effect. Can anyone familiar with it suggest some condensing and better indentation? I hardly know where to start.

• The Dresden Files:
  • Harry Dresden nicknames everything. While most of them don't stick, a few catch on even with other characters. Notably, the Archive is Ivy, the skinwalker is Shagnasty, and the Denarians are the Nickelheads. It says something about Harry that these are, respectively, the repository of all human knowledge, an Eldritch Abomination, and an order of psychos and fallen angels. It even gets to be a plot point at times; naming Ivy gave her her own identity separate from the Archive, which helped her avoid snapping when the Nickelheads caught her.
  • In the series, it's explicitly stated that giving something a name matters for its power and identity. Senior council Member Listens-To-Wind advises Dresden against calling the skinwalker by its proper name as a result of this. Another example is Bob, the air spirit Harry keeps in a skull: in Dead Beat, we find out just how much of Bob's genial and helpful personality is a result of being in Harry's service as opposed to that of someone more serious and less ethical.
    • Not to mention his nickname for the fallen angel Lasciel, Lash, helped the shadow of Lash that resided inside Harry's head separate from her former self and helped her gain a sense of identity, eventually resulting in her helping Harry out.
    • Because of this fact, the angel Uriel objected strenuously to being nicknamed Uri. Considering Uriel translates as "Light of God", and Harry was removing the God bit, you can kind of understand his objections. He has no complaints about being called Mr. Sunshine though.
  • Harry's not the only one to give out nicknames. Once Jerome Rudolph managed to get himself transferred from SI to Internal Affairs his old coworkers take to calling him "Rudolph the Brown-Nosed Cop Cop".

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.

Found these at Memes.Touken Ranbu which I think are natter because it goes a little off-topic.

• Another reason to this meme is that to this date, swords from Rai clan are currently comprised of him, Hotarumaru, and Aizen. Akashi is the only one that doesn't have childlike look.
• Also due to his uncanny resemblance to Saruhiko Fushimi from K, some part of the fandom likes to shoo him out from Tourabu by saying 'Please go back to K Project!'
  • The dub staff might have known about this - they cast Micah Solusod, who's known to sound a lot like Johnny Yong Bosch, and his performance does sound a lot like Fushimi.
• Also from the Rai School, Aizen has received the same treatment due to him being compared to Naruko Shoukichi from Yowamushi Pedal. It doesn't help that their looks and energetic personalities are very similar. Like in this post◊

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I feel it should be cut because, besides, it's speculation.

From HitlerAteSugar.Literature:

Edited by nanakiro on Apr 11th 2023 at 12:53:34 PM

Got two added today for WesternAnimation.The Patrick Star Show:

• Informed Flaw: Squidina has stage fright, as listed in the theme song and seen in "Stair Wars". This rarely comes up afterwards, and in episodes like "Mid-Season Finale", Squidina is fully capable of participating in the Patrick Show, doing skits with Patrick and Pearl and not being anxious or intimidated. In "Klopnodian Heritage Festival", she has the confidence to stand up against the Klopnodian flag tradition, which she thinks is nonsense, in front of a vast crowd of people. And in "Host-a-Palooza", she actually stands up to an unsatisfiable audience and dares them to do better.
  • See does act awkward during the filming of the home economics segment in "Home ECCH!" though. (I don't think this specifically counts as stage fright; she's worried because the project in this segment is the one that she failed at earlier, and she's afraid that she'll mess it up again.)

• Milestone Celebration: "Mid-Season Finale" is both an in-universe and meta one. It's the final episode of the first half of the season, and the episode celebrates this milestone.
  • Considering the show's first season was extended to 26 episodes in August of 2021, it was likely intended to be a season finale. (This is speculation, but it seems reasonable? Could probably be merged with the main sentence.)

The things in my dreams wish they could chase me!

If the first one is worth keeping, it could be rephrased as "aside from acting awkward in "Home ECCH", she never shows it again". Though is there another trope for a character flaw that shows up in one episode and is then forgotten about? If it shows up sometimes, it's not quite an Informed Flaw.

The second one could stay, but some citation would help.

Both were added by Pim Pimling. I am sending a notifier.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.

I wouldn't say "Home ECCH"'s really counts as stage fright. She had spent the entire episode performing in front of the same audience (just her home ec teacher) and was fine with it. Her nervousness comes more from what she specifically has to do this time, instead of who she's doing it in front of. As for the one-off trait thing, maybe Characterization Marches On or Early-Installment Weirdness? But I think Informed Flaw works well; it's listed in the theme song, so it's clearly meant to be a defining trait, but it's actively contradicted more than it appears.

I also found a Deadline article saying that the Patrick Show was meant to have a "13-episode order" at first. Later, it got 13 more episodes added. So it's not a stretch to think that they'd retool the episode to be a mid-season finale once more episodes were ordered — there's elements in this one like the constant Continuity Cavalcades and skits featuring every main character that would make sense for a finale. Plus, the season was expanded in August 2021 and "Mid-Season Finale" was confirmed in February 2022, which seems like a long enough time gap that they could have reworked it. With this said, I think we could add in the information in but just say that it's likely rather than confirmed.

Looks good, thank you!

Edited by Grotadmorv on Apr 27th 2023 at 4:11:01 AM

The things in my dreams wish they could chase me!

I edited it taking that into account.

This is on Crossover Cosmology. I intend to cut it back at some point if no-one else does.

• The original game lines in the Old World of Darkness all have creation myths specific to the supernatural monster they talked about (werewolves, mages, vampires, fairies, mummies, wraiths, demons) which are at times hard to reconcile if not mutually exclusive. Some are specifically Judeo-Christian, others are pagan or have cosmologies unrelated to either. In some cases they have world views and game mechanics that say all other supernatural creatures should not exist, or that they ("they" usually being "mages") can do anything... except cure vampirism or lycanthropy.
  • It should be noted that Mages can cure vampirism... but it's not a good idea. The Paradox backlash from that would, in all likelihood, kill the Mage stone dead. As for lycanthropy, what's to cure? Werewolves are not sick, they've always been werewolves.
  • Mage having Clap Your Hands If You Believe as its key principle goes a long way though and combined with some alternate realities link the various game lines fairly well... except the vampires who are sometimes called Cainites and thoroughly linked with The Bible for their Back Story to being literally cursed with God. Albeit even that is dismissible as superstition and most "facts" in the World of Darkness were presented from a specific and unobjective point of view.
  • The New World of Darkness is even more inconsistent, the werewolf and mage backstories being particularly extreme in their incompatibility. Therefore, it cheerfully (as cheerfully as the WoD gets, anyway) ignores this fact. They even lampshade the problem in the Changeling book, which contains an "Arcadia" which is a truly nasty place; the discussion of this mentions that no one knows whether it's the same "Arcadia" that Acanthus mages use to get their power. Mostly it waves this away by presenting these as mythologies which may well not be perfectly true.
    • It turns out, in the end, that the werewolf and mage backstories aren't referring to the same event (the assumption of which caused the seeming incompatibility). The mage backstory happened, but never took place in this version of reality, while the werewolf backstory took place sometime around the Neolithic.
  • It is however subverted in Mage: The Awakening (specifically the Sourcebook Astral Realms) which has it that while every god ever believed in exists, they only do so in the Temenos (the collective human unconscious) and only have as much power as human regard affords them. Thus, a god like Anubis is powerful, though not nearly as powerful as he was, because even if he is not believed in, he is still a relevant cultural symbol. They also possess insights only into human matters (albeit to a great extent) lacking any understanding of greater cosmic issues. It's pointed out that they still believe they are gods, and will not look kindly on any attempt to inform them of their true nature.
  • The storyline stuff in each of the gamebooks and sourcebooks should be considered untrustworthy as every book in the series seems to be strongly based on the viewpoints of the group that it is about. Which is why references to the same group in two different sourcebooks can be completely contradictory.
  • Though it's not technically a White Wolf game, the fangame Genius: The Transgression also adds yet ANOTHER flavour to the mix, with geniuses being more than capable of faking deities, and having several, mutually contradictory beings of power, both past and future. Also, on a more mundane scale, they have a conspiracy that overlaps and contradicts a conspiracy from Mage: The Awakening, with both groups having once controlled much of the world. It simply says that the two groups ignore each other, and that it is curious.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.

Well, one immediate thing that strikes me as potentially off there is that (like many, many Tabletop Games folders - I almost wonder if this needs a cleanup of its own) it's troping one or more World of Darkness fangames as subbullets of the main franchise, which is not a thing we normally do with fan-created material.

Here's an attempt at a rewrite:

• The different games that were brought together as the Old World of Darkness each had their own creation myth for their own type of supernatural creature, and when brought together are difficult to reconcile. Vampire: The Masquerade and Demon: The Fallen had Biblical origins with divine intervention, while Werewolf: The Apocalypse had a neopagan one. On top of that, many of these game's Metaplots were building towards a world-ending catastrophe, but each one was of an different nature. Both the rebooted Chronicles of Darkness and the new editions of these gamelines avoid these problems by leaning on the Unreliable Narrator: various origin stories are given, but they are vague and with no proof, giving room to explain away any contradictions.
• The Chronicles of Darkness fangame Genius: The Transgression opens up the setting to geniuses who can well fake being deities, have several, mutually contradictory natures, and have a world-spanning conspiracy that overlaps and conflicts with one from Mage: The Awakening. It simply says that the two groups ignore each other, and that it is "curious".

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.