NATTER ALERT!

Also, Natter on Licence to Kill.

The Islam entry in Unwanted False Faith may need to be looked at, since there are a couple second-level bullets acting like Justifying Edits.

Definitely misindented. They do look like a response to the main article.

Doctor Who S35 E12 "Hell Bent" might need a clean-up, there's a lot of Wall of Text examples and some indentation issues.

Stealth Parody has many examples where i don't even know what they were trying to say.

" Mobile Fighter G Gundam: The director hated being forced to include a ridiculous, borderline racist plot. So he wrote everyone in an over the top manner with Domon being a Jerkass who does things like sucker punching his opponent to announce that he wants to fight and mocks some of the plans Bandai came up with. For example, he hated the ring he has Domon bounce off the damn thing. In the end it was so ridiculous that it goes from Narm to Narm Charm. The finale is the most over-the-top use of The Power of Love ever, and has an entry on this site's Awesome page. "

" Code Geass: At first glance, it's kind of hard to tell if Okouchi and Taniguchi were serious. The villains all dress in ridiculous outfits, guards tend to menace people with spears, and the series appears to have been written for a young William Shatner and Brian Blessed. When you listen to the audio commentaries and other additional materials for the series you begin to realize that the Code Geass staff had a lot of fun working on this production, coming up with all manner of crazy ideas and in-jokes, suggesting they weren't above liberally combining Rule of Cool and Rule of Funny for the sake of increasing entertainment value. For example, the creators used the Britannia Emperor's larger-than-life character design in the show because it was hilarious for them. Combined with Norio Wakamoto's voice acting, this eventually led them to making the "Rocketmoto" sequence during a climatic part of the story, which the staff also approved due to its comedy value. "

" Some have speculated that Death Note is this for Shōnen tropes. Despite being a dark crime thriller with a megalomaniacal mass-murderer for a protagonist, when you get down to it it contains all the basic elements of a typical shonen series, albeit in forms twisted nearly beyond recognition: a young, justice-loving Chaste Hero (a narcissistic Knight Templar with delusions of godhood) who discovers magical powers (a notebook that can be used to instantly murder anybody) and gains a Fairy Companion (an amoral embodiment of death), makes a Worthy Opponent rival (a detective trying to apprehend him for his crimes) and picks up a persistent Genki Girl love interest (a vapid pop idol who's fanatically obsessed with him and, despite barely knowing him, is instantly willing to kill for, die for and marry him). Tsugumi Ohba comes off as a living super computer who knows every single manga trope inside and out. And he loves mindgames. The Stealth Parody interpretation makes a lot of sense. "

" While Soul Eater can be taken at face value, it is quite likely that it is simply a long joke about Shōnen stereotypes. Black*Star and Tsubaki are widely considered to be expies of Naruto and Hinata, many of Maka's lines can be taken directly from Ed, and Soul has an interesting resemblance in backstory to Gokudera. The idea that the Grim Reaper is scary is thrown out the window, and a blatantly obvious love interest is thrown in and shoved in the face of the audience, but nothing happens. The author also said in an interview that he was really only considering putting in one or two canon pairings, and soon after put two minor characters in a relationship. The fandom was not happy. He seems to enjoy messing with his audience, although the show is still considered serious by many. "

" It's been speculated that Frank Miller may be doing this with his later, less liked works, massively cranking up the grittiness and stylized nature of his previous works to undermine and mock the very ideas he helped start. While debatable, one can see where these people are coming from once you actually read the comics in question; after all, All-Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder does include lines like "Damn you and your lemonade!". It certainly helps that Miller has both shown before that he can write characters like Batman very well and expressed regret for helping start the Dark Age of Comics. "

" The above risk was exploited in a different manner by the notorious Pokémon fandom presence Farla. Using a pen name, she wrote Lucki, a Take That! aimed at both writers of Mary Sues and the fandom that enables them. She does this by writing a so-called "Middling Sue", not over-the-top in any particular way, who was not recognized as such by the forum community and was in fact praised and defended against her in-story critics. The distortion of the world around Lucki is dispersed at the end through the influence of an Absol. "

" It's hoped that So Bad, It's Good Warrior Cats fanfiction Star Kits Prophcy is a Troll Fic, or else one should weep for civilisation. "

" The 2003 film adaptation of Dr. Suess's The Cat in the Hat is arguably a stealth parody of bad children's comedies, featuring every single cliché relating to them: bad costumes, forced musical numbers, awkward CGI, a plot filled with mindless antics, crude adult jokes, etc. It was deliberately awful and the film's cast and crew clearly knew it (Mike Myers especially), but many fans of Suess's work took it seriously. "

" Awoken by "Serra Elinsen", who was actually a team composed of Lindsay Ellis, Antonella Inserra, Elisa Hansen, and five other ghostwriters chosen from the Nostalgia Chick fan community. It was written as this to young adult Paranormal Romance literature, complete with a fake author persona who is a parody of insecure, egotistical YA writers that get into online fights with their critics. Continuing that, the TV Tropes page for Serra Elinsen is studiously sanitized for any hint that it isn't meant to be taken seriously, and is full of insane cruft that pops up in only the most overwrought places on the Internet. Even we can't tell what's real and what's fake anymore! "

edited 23rd Jun '18 12:38:42 AM by lalalei2001

More than a few of those read like the troper cannot conceive of people having fun while making anything but a parody.

Also, I was under the impression that Stealth Parody is only supposed to list confirmed examples to prevent just this kind of thing.

Foil.The Big Bang Theory isn't indexed and seems strange since a lot of sitcom characters naturally contrast to play off each other, and Analysis.The Big Bang Theory seems really gushy about the show's deep characterization.

This entry on The Powerpuff Girls (2016) is....so long I lost track halfway through.

• Same Character, But Different: The girls themselves, compared to the original show. In "Bubbles of the Opera", Bubbles describes herself as 'the cute one', Blossom as 'the smart one', and Buttercup as 'the cool one'. In the original, though, Blossom was both the smart one and the cute one due to her incredible tactical skills and leadership abilities coupled with an insufferable ego and haughtiness, Bubbles was the painfully innocent and naïve one because of her very childish outlook coloring her view of life, and Buttercup was the bitter, angry one whose sarcasm came from a deep wellspring of rage masking some serious self-esteem issues. In this version, some of those traits have survived if a little tone down. Blossom is now a bit more order-obsessed, worrying more about her grades, how to handle messes and cleanliness. Bubbles is mostly the same, in fact having gotten smarter in some cases, though her fixation on cute things can sometimes reach disturbing levels. Buttercup tomboyishness is likewise present, she not as action heavy as she once was (though still loves it) and tends to be more of a Deadpan Snarker now. She also seems to serve more of a Big Sister role now in a few episodes too. Though likewise can make just as many mistakes due to immature decisions.

I think YMMV.Wolverine And The X Men might need a look at, as lot of the examples are large Walls of Text along with some Example Indentation.

I found a strange entry on Trivia.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic that doesn't seem nattery exactly but I'm unsure where to put it. the show isn't everywhere anymore but people still enjoy it. 'Oblivion' seems more like something like Rose Petal Place whose fans are a very small number and not organized online in any way.

"* Fandom Life Cycle: You can make an argument for every stage from 4 on.
** Stage 4 "large and organized," without a doubt. Sites like Equestria Daily and Fimfiction.net are still running strong, and fan artists are still making things left and right.
** Stage 5 (sufficiently ingrained in contemporary culture for even the people not familiar with it to know a lot about it). The fanbase has been referenced on Saturday Night Live (not positively, mind you, but then no "nerdy" thing ever is), The Colbert Report, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, and so on, and the general populace are aware that bronies exist. Andy Price, one of the comic artists, makes an argument that MLP is still in this stage in a "Fandom Files" podcast.
** Stage 6: While mid 2011-early 2013 was undeniably the "golden age" (though 2015 was the year in which convention attendance and fan activity was the highest) it is impossible to deny that the fandom as a whole has changed. Whether that be for better or for worse remains to be seen, but there are arguments for a Stage 6 existence.
*** A (Cooldown): Not nearly as "flavor of the month" as a new fandom anymore, with new shows like Steven Universe, Star vs. the Forces of Evil, and other such shows gaining a massive Periphery Demographic as well, the fandom has simply devoted time to other things.
*** B (Oblivion): While bronies are still out there, they are more and more slipping out never to return, with many former bronies calling it "losing the spark" and it not coming back. As well, several conventions have closed their doors permanently, meaning that representation is dwindling."

Edited by lalalei2001 on Aug 11th 2018 at 12:49:39 PM

Spin-Off Babies, but I'm not entirely sure whether it has natter or not. I want confirmation.

What about Spin-Off Babies?

I think it has natter on it, but I'm not sure. I want to know if it really qualifies as having natter.

ShoutOut.The Dragon Prince has a couple entries that "possibly" are shout-outs.

Newer Than They Think is filled with slightly incorrect entries that have multiple sub-bullets of argument on them.

Fridge.Yu Gi Oh The Dark Side Of Dimensions has some natter issues, particularly about the differences between the manga, anime, and dub.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Fridge.YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions

Edited by lalalei2001 on Sep 27th 2018 at 1:36:12 PM

After removing some natter on OldShame.Western Animation that also seemed like superfluous Lasseter-gushing, I hope the guy(s) who kept adding it to pages stopped by now, if not also started removing it.

YMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 8 E 26 School Raze Part 2 has tons of natter, including huge paragraphs arguing with themselves, justifying edits, and non-YMMV tropes on a YMMV page.

This paragraph on YMMV.Mega Man 11 goes on a tangent and never looks back.

• Ron the Death Eater: Anti-Dr. Light sentiments increased with this game's release, with several fans seeing Wily as The Woobie whose research is lambasted and stolen and seeing Light's objections to the Gears as baseless. The fact that the Double Gear system ultimately shows no serious drawbacks for any of the Robot Masters outfitted with it that would justify Light's reservations (such as Explosive Overclocking) does not help the situation. As a counterpoint, it should also be noted that none of the enemy Robot Masters or fortress bosses sans Wily's latest Wily Capsule have both Gears installed because Wily, short on time and money, couldn't properly implement both (and thus had to choose one or the other for each robot), whereas Mega Man's only works because Dr. Light spent several days getting it ready for him. Additionally, Light put in a time limit for its duration and Double Gear still has a significant drawback in that both gears can't both be activated without forcibly causing Mega Man's systems to overheat (and temporarily deprive him of his charged Mega Buster). On the other hand, this loops back into how Double Gear lacks any visible indication of putting its user(s) at serious risk despite it supposedly placing dangerous amounts of strain on robot systems, never mind Wily's perfected Double Gear system ironing out the overheating problem found in the prototype Mega Man uses, thereby allowing him to run Speed Gear indefinitely without any ill effects. Which does a doubleloop reacharound to the fact that the only way to run a gear indefinitely with no ill effect is on a machine controlled by a human and not a robot]].

Edited by lalalei2001 on Oct 17th 2018 at 2:03:49 PM

Analysis.Artistic License Animal Care probably has a lot of natter. I copy and pasted the old "General" examples without trying to fix the examples.

Encountered this in Gods Need Prayer Badly.

• The Neverwinter Nights 2 expansion Mask of the Betrayer is also set in the Forgotten Realms. It shows just how far gods dependent on worship will go. They built the Wall of the Faithless, which punishes not sinners but non-believers. Being an atheist or paying lip service to religion is the biggest of all sins against all the gods, and thus the good, evil, lawful, and chaotic gods all agreed that atheists shall be punished by ultimate torture and eventually the very destruction of their souls by having your soul slowly digested over thousands of years.
  • It should be noted that if you read the supplements, you'll find out that the current administrator only makes use of the Wall because the other gods forced him to. Also, this is a setting where the gods are very real and walked the earth in mortal form en masse less than twenty years ago (a period known as the Time of Troubles). On Toril, literally every atheist is a Flat-Earth Atheist: ending up in the Wall for atheism is akin to starving to death because you don't believe food exists.
    • Not quite. The punishment exists not so much for atheism, which is only synonymous if this were monotheism, but for lack of worship and reverence to a particular deity. Long story short? If you either don't pick one specific deity who will save you from the Wall in exchange for your complete acceptance of what they are and stand for, or you worship Ao who exerts power over the others but does not accept worship of itself, or don't make a contract with a devil, whose imprisonment of your soul supersedes it, you're heading for the Wall.
  • WARNING! PLOT POINT AHEAD! The creator of the Spirit-Eater curse that drives the plot of MotB is the now-dead god Myrkul, who created it to ensure his immortality by abusing this principle: as long as there was a Spirit-Eater, there would be at least one person who feared and/or worshiped him, so he could never truly die. Then the game gives you the opportunity to finish him off with the Spirit-Eater.

I'm not sure how to approach this. Any ideas?

I think that the Star Trek: The Next Generation example on the Humor Dissonance page has natter. It also seems too negative, as it has a lot of "even worse" talk on it.

Is natter fine in YMMV entries? Just curious. Wasn't sure where to put this, either. It felt like too minor of a question to justify a thread in Wiki Talk.

Natter is not allowed anywhere, save for the discussion pages.

Found this piece of natter in Painful Rhymes from the Stuff You'd Find on Stage:

How do I remove the natter without removing the good stuff (the non-natter part of the examples)?