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Sep 8th 2010 at 6:16:04 AM

On the Fridge Logic page for Anime, there's a lot of natter, plus the tropers adding their handles at the end of each of their edits. I don't know if that's allowed, I just wanted to make sure if that's considered as natter or not. Just as a note, I've never seen that many handles after edits on one page in my entire browsing of this site. About the natter itself, there's a bunch of This Troper's and whatnot.

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Sep 8th 2010 at 6:39:08 AM

Fridge Logic isn't in the main space. It's one of those places where tropers just talk to each other. It doesn't need to be cleaned up. The places outside the main wiki tend to want you to sign your entries.

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Sep 8th 2010 at 12:48:04 PM

Can someone with better knowledge check that the Real life section of Magic Floppy Disk isn't natter-filled (if it even fits at all).

Helps to get the title right.

edited 8th Sep '10 2:28:56 PM by OldManHoOh

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Sep 8th 2010 at 1:06:27 PM

I chopped most of it since they weren't actually trope examples.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Sep 8th 2010 at 8:00:42 PM

Is stuff like This Troper and natter allowed in Ho Yay because it's subjective? Because if it's not, I'm going to clean it a bit.

KrisMahai Hm?
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Sep 8th 2010 at 8:05:16 PM

No, I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be there. Go ahead and clean it up.

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Sep 8th 2010 at 9:17:50 PM

Okay, doing the movies section took me so long I'm afraid to look at the other sections. If anyone wants to help out, please do.

Sep 9th 2010 at 6:06:30 PM

Randomly Drops has a lot of walkthrough-type info. I cut the pokemon stuff but I don't know or care enough about most of the other examples to go through them. Video Game Stealing also has a good deal of conversation and justification at first glance, as well as third-level bullets that aren't needed.

edited 9th Sep '10 6:06:59 PM by Yamikuronue

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Sep 9th 2010 at 11:20:05 PM

Took a swing at HoYay.Webcomics, though in some cases I left some natter because I wasn't entirely sure how to excise it without breaking things completely, as I wasn't familiar enough with the respective works (except for Megatokyo, and that one was left where it now is because I couldn't think of a way to trim it down further).

edited 9th Sep '10 11:31:57 PM by Nohbody

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Sep 10th 2010 at 12:03:57 AM

^ I helped! Just the ones I was more familiar with - I tried another entry and got lost real fast. Chalk it up to being 3am

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Sep 10th 2010 at 3:02:29 PM

Taking a look at the Randomly Drops now. Going to have to go at this with a flamethrower, and will probably get flamed for it, so could someone make sure I don't break it too badly?

EDIT: Working on it now in WordPad. This has a LOT of Natter, so I'm going to make a ton of mistakes in removing it, be it cutting off good parts or leaving some bad parts. Keeping a little Edit Journal now for issues I want clarification on. I'll add it in once I've finalized the edit.

EDIT2: Right, here's the edit journal for it with my questions and I'm putting the page in now. Didn't put everything in the journal, just stuff that needed attention IMO.


ARTICLE: Randomly Drops. DATE: 9/10/10 LAST EDIT AT THE TIME OF EDITING: 9th Sep '10 6:03:20 PM Yamikuronue


REMOVAL:

REMOVED FOR: X Just X pretty much. If someone who played the game can detail it and put it back in, be appreciated.


CLARIFICATION NEEDED:

  • Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow takes random drops to new extremes, with most weapons coming from randomly dropped souls... and the soul that increases Luck having 9 levels, so you need to get the soul 9 times. However, this particular iteration is not at all bad, as the creatures that drop the Luck increasing souls are plentiful, easy to kill, and drop the soul quite frequently (it's a two-star drop).

Is the "However" part (was a bullet underneath) Natter or can it be put in somehow? Left it in since I don't know. Might need to whack the whole example seeing what it says, so if someone who played this game stepped in?


REMOVAL:

  • Absorbing Glyphs used for attack is actually fairly easy, once you figure out you can steal them. It also interrupts the attack and usually stuns the enemy, making it worth your time. Just make sure nothing will interrupt you.

REMOVED FOR: Natter, but if someone whose played the game can testify that this has a point, someone should edite the Order of Ecclesia example.


CLARFICATION NEEDED: Do we add in examples for series with **, and if so, can the first * entry be an example or should it be something like

  • The Castlevania Series has a number of examples:


EDITED: (not whole text, cut all before Rarer)

  • ...Rarer still is Baron Riverdare's Deathcharger, an epic mount that drops from the final boss of an instance almost nobody plays anymore (Stratholme), with a drop rate of 1 in 10,000. Players who do acquire one are advised not to ride it in major cities, lest they be bombarded with congratulatory whispers from passersby.
    • With 3.0.2 the droprate was raised to about 1%, which is a bit better, also considering you can easily solo the Stratholme instance with a level 80 or even 70 character. Still, quite some work for some Bragging Rights Reward—and Blizzard loves doing that, especially for mounts. Sabertooth mount anyone?

EDITED TO:

  • Several dungeons in World Of Warcraft include rare magic items with drop rates of under 0.01%. One instance, Shadowfang Keep, includes a set of items that possess a drop rate of roughly 1-in-7000. Previously Baron Riverdare's Deathcharger, an epic mount, was an example, but the drop rate for it was raised to 1% in the 3.0.2 update, also considering you can easily solo the Stratholme instance with a level 80 or even 70 character. Still, quite some work for some Bragging Rights Reward—and Blizzard loves doing that, especially for mounts. Sabertooth mount anyone?


POTHOLE REMOVED: It's longer than you think.

CHANGED TO: It's longer than you think.

REASONING: I have no clue what this means. If someone wants to put the pothole back in that's fine, just unsure of how it relates to the description (if it's a joke, it's one I can't spot)


REMOVED:

REMOVED FOR: Just a link? Come on, we know better than that! Didn't actually follow the link, but if anyone wants to put it in as a real example I'd appreciate it.


CLARIFICATION NEEDED: There are a lot of "Oh, this too!" kind of examples in the World of Warcraft section. Should these be merged somehow?


REMOVED:

  • Take the basic commercial skyscraper for instance. To get even a small skyscraper to appear in a city, the overall commercial office population of the whole region your city is in needs to be over 40,000 (that is, people who work in offices). This isn't the whole commercial population (as in services/retail and office), but just office population, which can only be obtained if a city has citizens of middle or high wealth (since richer people work in offices and other high class businesses), but for even a little office building to appear in a city, you need at least 20 citizens who are middle-class or higher. So that means you'll need at least 40,000 middle/high wealth citizens, but, they could also work in manufacturing and high tech industries, fancier shops, and government jobs, so for good measure, about 70,000 of those people. To get them? You need to provide decent city infrastructure, provide education and health services, and most importantly, have good transportation networks, all of which (especially in SC 4) are expensive and incredibly difficult to maintain. So overall, you'll need a region with at least 200,000 citizens, a good portion of that to be middle class or higher, and enough commercial offices to encourage larger corporations with their skyscrapers. The worst part? There's a 1/200 that the next building after you've hit the 40,000 office pop. cap that you'll actually get a skyscraper and not another random little office building.

REMOVED FOR: Looks like Walkthrough Mode. Someone could put it in again if they wanted, but it REALLY needs trimming down, considering that the line ABOVE it is exactly ONE line.


REMOVED:

  • However Blizzard has changed their methods. In The Burning Crusade tier pieces were dependent on tokens that dropped off a boss, now meaning a lower chance of not having a class that can drop that loot along with a currency from boss kills that allowed you to buy equal level gear. Then in The Wrath of the Lich King you could buy tiered gear with different currency (Emblems of Heroism for Heroics/10m Bosses, Valor for 25m bosses, then conq from ulduar bosses.) Then after that Heroism and Valor badges were replaced with Conquest, badges of Triumph were introduced from the daily heroic quest and from the new raid. Triumph allowed you to buy ALL your tier gear as opposed to buying 2 pieces and you could just save alot more badges and get a trophy which any class could use to buy the highest non-heroic raid gear you could (The Heroic Raid gear was a token that didn't require badges.)

REMOVED FOR: A whole section that says up front that "THIS IS NOT AN EXAMPLE." Killed with predjudice. Only significant aversions, correct?


REMOVED:

  • Despite being the worst serial offenders, online RPGs (like Phantasy Star Online, World Of Warcraft and Diablo) allow the player to circumvent the whole problem of finding exactly the item he or she wants by finding something just as good (but not as useful to him or her for whatever reason) and trading that to somebody who was lucky enough to get the drop in question. The nice thing about thousands of people playing a game at once is that even when the odds are 1 in 7000, somebody's going to hit the jackpot before too long.

REMOVED FOR: ...okay? Does this matter? Not an example, not a signficant aversion, burned away! Unfortunately, had a lot of * stuff under it. Fixing it up now.


FINAL NOTE: I fail at adding snark into my edits. >_>


FINAL FINAL NOTE: BLARGH KILL IT WITH FIRE YAR!


END OF ENTRY EDITING


EDIT3: Wow, that's a wall of text. Put the edit in, no problems, someone needs to go over that with another whack-a-natter hammer since I was too conservative from the looks of it. Also fixed my editing journal a bit just now, so that it looks better.

edited 10th Sep '10 4:42:35 PM by TheInferno

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Sep 10th 2010 at 4:44:06 PM

"CLARFICATION NEEDED: Do we add in examples for series with **, and if so, can the first * entry be an example or should it be something like"

Your example there is correct, the first bullet should mention the series and give any overview info while the second-level bullets should have examples. Think of the first-level bullet in these cases as a heading - if the second-level bullets are elaboration on the first, it should be combined, and if not, it should be broken into a list of examples all equally second-level.

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Sep 10th 2010 at 4:50:29 PM

Gotcha. Let me fix that in the article itself then. Also means my second edit probably needs to be reverted. Ah well.

...y'know, this is kinda fun. evil grin

"The fact that your food can be made into makeshift bombs alarms the Hell out of me, Scrye." - Charlatan
Sep 10th 2010 at 7:31:30 PM

I re-added the Raidou Kuzunoha Vs King Abaddon one with more detail:

  • Raidou Kuzunoha Vs King Abaddon features Ukemochi liver, a useless item that's necessary for exactly one sidequest, which in turn is necessary for 100% Completion. The only way you can get it is by donating money to a shrine, at 300 yen a pop, for a roughly 1/256 chance of getting it. Cue an hour and a half of standing there throwing money at the shrine hoping to get it.

And then realized I'm not sure if it applies if you don't get it from an enemy. Does it have to be from an enemy you fight?

edited 10th Sep '10 7:33:14 PM by Heart-mint

Sep 10th 2010 at 7:46:38 PM

I don't think Randomly Drops is exclusive to monster-drops, it's just that those are the most prominent examples. A 1/256 chance of getting something Randomly Drops, whether that be by defeating a monster or donating to church.

edited 10th Sep '10 7:46:48 PM by Twilightdusk

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Sep 10th 2010 at 8:23:19 PM

I think the trope is actually rather ill-defined at the moment. It's not clear on whether it's getting items through randomness or through random monster drops, and it's not clear whether it's about the mechanic in general, or specifically very rare drops.

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Sep 10th 2010 at 9:50:20 PM

Gave the derail its own thread.

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Sep 11th 2010 at 7:26:14 AM

Inferno: I have not played Dawn of Sorrow, but have played its predecessor, Aria of Sorrow. Soul drops are a perfect example of this problem. Luck adjusting souls and etc. are a must. The "However, it's not so bad" can probably be edited to a "This is made somewhat easier by..." because let's face it, luck adjustments can only do so much.

The "It's longer than you think" is a reference to Stephen King's short story The Jaunt. Without context I can't even tell if it's funny.

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Sep 11th 2010 at 12:01:20 PM

A policy question: Is it okay to delete any example describing itself as a "possible example"? I did this to the Ass Pull page, but many of the things I deleted were re-added.

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Sep 11th 2010 at 12:54:01 PM

Bowdlerise has alot of natter right now.

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Sep 11th 2010 at 1:07:36 PM

Sein Language has a bunch. I've cleaned up some of it, but it still needs work.

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Sep 11th 2010 at 3:42:14 PM

@ silver2195: If you know whether it's an example or not, fix it or cut it, whichever is appropriate. If you don't know, move it to the discussion page and leave a note asking for someone who is familiar with the work to decide whether it is or not.

Make your edit reason something like " "Possible examples" moved to discussion page awaiting clarification. Please to not add one of these back unless you know that it is an example."

edited 11th Sep '10 3:45:00 PM by Madrugada

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Sep 12th 2010 at 1:10:15 PM

The page for No Yay is chockful of the conversational and "YMMV!" sort of natter.

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Sep 12th 2010 at 5:12:17 PM

Is it even possible to do anything with Uncanny Valley?

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Sep 12th 2010 at 5:17:18 PM

Something tells me that I should do something about removing the natter from the page for They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot. But, every time I look at the page, I'm always struck with a feeling of worriment for how the cleanup will be received. Should I do it anyway?

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