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On the Fridge Logic page for Anime, there's a lot of natter, plus the tropers adding their handles at the end of each of their edits. I don't know if that's allowed, I just wanted to make sure if that's considered as natter or not. Just as a note, I've never seen that many handles after edits on one page in my entire browsing of this site.
About the natter itself, there's a bunch of This Troper's and whatnot.
Fridge Logic isn't in the main space. It's one of those places where tropers just talk to each other. It doesn't need to be cleaned up. The places outside the main wiki tend to want you to sign your entries.
Can someone with better knowledge check that the Real life section of Magic Floppy Disk isn't natter-filled (if it even fits at all).
Helps to get the title right.
edited 8th Sep '10 2:28:56 PM by OldManHoOh
I chopped most of it since they weren't actually trope examples.
Is stuff like This Troper and natter allowed in Ho Yay because it's subjective? Because if it's not, I'm going to clean it a bit.
No, I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be there. Go ahead and clean it up.
Okay, doing the movies section took me so long I'm afraid to look at the other sections. If anyone wants to help out, please do.
Randomly Drops has a lot of walkthrough-type info. I cut the pokemon stuff but I don't know or care enough about most of the other examples to go through them. Video Game Stealing also has a good deal of conversation and justification at first glance, as well as third-level bullets that aren't needed.
edited 9th Sep '10 6:06:59 PM by Yamikuronue
Took a swing at HoYay.Webcomics, though in some cases I left some natter because I wasn't entirely sure how to excise it without breaking things completely, as I wasn't familiar enough with the respective works (except for Megatokyo, and that one was left where it now is because I couldn't think of a way to trim it down further).
edited 9th Sep '10 11:31:57 PM by Nohbody
^ I helped! Just the ones I was more familiar with - I tried another entry and got lost real fast. Chalk it up to being 3am
Taking a look at the Randomly Drops now. Going to have to go at this with a flamethrower, and will probably get flamed for it, so could someone make sure I don't break it too badly?
EDIT: Working on it now in WordPad. This has a LOT of Natter, so I'm going to make a ton of mistakes in removing it, be it cutting off good parts or leaving some bad parts. Keeping a little Edit Journal now for issues I want clarification on. I'll add it in once I've finalized the edit.
EDIT2: Right, here's the edit journal for it with my questions and I'm putting the page in now. Didn't put everything in the journal, just stuff that needed attention IMO.
REMOVED FOR: X Just X pretty much. If someone who played the game can detail it and put it back in, be appreciated.
Is the "However" part (was a bullet underneath) Natter or can it be put in somehow? Left it in since I don't know. Might need to whack the whole example seeing what it says, so if someone who played this game stepped in?
REMOVED FOR: Natter, but if someone whose played the game can testify that this has a point, someone should edite the Order of Ecclesia example.
CLARFICATION NEEDED: Do we add in examples for series with **, and if so, can the first * entry be an example or should it be something like
EDITED: (not whole text, cut all before Rarer)
POTHOLE REMOVED: It's longer than you think.
CHANGED TO: It's longer than you think.
REASONING: I have no clue what this means. If someone wants to put the pothole back in that's fine, just unsure of how it relates to the description (if it's a joke, it's one I can't spot)
REMOVED FOR: Just a link? Come on, we know better than that! Didn't actually follow the link, but if anyone wants to put it in as a real example I'd appreciate it.
CLARIFICATION NEEDED: There are a lot of "Oh, this too!" kind of examples in the World of Warcraft section. Should these be merged somehow?
REMOVED FOR: Looks like Walkthrough Mode. Someone could put it in again if they wanted, but it REALLY needs trimming down, considering that the line ABOVE it is exactly ONE line.
REMOVED FOR: A whole section that says up front that "THIS IS NOT AN EXAMPLE." Killed with predjudice. Only significant aversions, correct?
REMOVED FOR: ...okay? Does this matter? Not an example, not a signficant aversion, burned away! Unfortunately, had a lot of * stuff under it. Fixing it up now.
FINAL NOTE: I fail at adding snark into my edits. >_>
FINAL FINAL NOTE: BLARGH KILL IT WITH FIRE YAR!
EDIT3: Wow, that's a wall of text. Put the edit in, no problems, someone needs to go over that with another whack-a-natter hammer since I was too conservative from the looks of it. Also fixed my editing journal a bit just now, so that it looks better.
edited 10th Sep '10 4:42:35 PM by TheInferno
"CLARFICATION NEEDED: Do we add in examples for series with **, and if so, can the first * entry be an example or should it be something like"
Your example there is correct, the first bullet should mention the series and give any overview info while the second-level bullets should have examples. Think of the first-level bullet in these cases as a heading - if the second-level bullets are elaboration on the first, it should be combined, and if not, it should be broken into a list of examples all equally second-level.
Gotcha. Let me fix that in the article itself then. Also means my second edit probably needs to be reverted. Ah well.
...y'know, this is kinda fun.
I re-added the Raidou Kuzunoha Vs King Abaddon one with more detail:
And then realized I'm not sure if it applies if you don't get it from an enemy. Does it have to be from an enemy you fight?
edited 10th Sep '10 7:33:14 PM by Heart-mint
I don't think Randomly Drops is exclusive to monster-drops, it's just that those are the most prominent examples. A 1/256 chance of getting something Randomly Drops, whether that be by defeating a monster or donating to church.
edited 10th Sep '10 7:46:48 PM by Twilightdusk
I think the trope is actually rather ill-defined at the moment. It's not clear on whether it's getting items through randomness or through random monster drops, and it's not clear whether it's about the mechanic in general, or specifically very rare drops.
Gave the derail its own thread.
Inferno: I have not played Dawn of Sorrow, but have played its predecessor, Aria of Sorrow. Soul drops are a perfect example of this problem. Luck adjusting souls and etc. are a must. The "However, it's not so bad" can probably be edited to a "This is made somewhat easier by..." because let's face it, luck adjustments can only do so much.
The "It's longer than you think" is a reference to Stephen King's short story The Jaunt. Without context I can't even tell if it's funny.
A policy question: Is it okay to delete any example describing itself as a "possible example"? I did this to the Ass Pull page, but many of the things I deleted were re-added.
Bowdlerise has alot of natter right now.
Sein Language has a bunch. I've cleaned up some of it, but it still needs work.
@ silver2195: If you know whether it's an example or not, fix it or cut it, whichever is appropriate. If you don't know, move it to the discussion page and leave a note asking for someone who is familiar with the work to decide whether it is or not.
Make your edit reason something like " "Possible examples" moved to discussion page awaiting clarification. Please to not add one of these back unless you know that it is an example."
edited 11th Sep '10 3:45:00 PM by Madrugada
The page for No Yay is chockful of the conversational and "YMMV!" sort of natter.
Is it even possible to do anything with Uncanny Valley?
Something tells me that I should do something about removing the natter from the page for They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot. But, every time I look at the page, I'm always struck with a feeling of worriment for how the cleanup will be received. Should I do it anyway?
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