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PsychoPJ Since: Aug, 2009
#1: Nov 21st 2010 at 9:02:11 PM

I assume that this is suppose to be a derivative of Perverse Sexual Lust. But I believe the more common term is the Cuddle Bug. So I propose renaming it and then adding some examples because right now, it's limited to Troper Tales.

Crowner: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/PageAction/PerverseAsexualCuddlelust

edited 25th Nov '10 11:23:09 AM by PsychoPJ

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#2: Nov 21st 2010 at 9:07:19 PM

two cents: "perverse asexual cuddlelust" is a terrible snowclone, "cuddle bug" is keen

edited 21st Nov '10 9:07:29 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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Xevon Fallen Angel Since: Jan, 2017
Fallen Angel
#3: Nov 21st 2010 at 9:22:11 PM

I think the description of Perverse Asexual Cuddlelust is redundant with Moe. So have it be a redirect to Moe and create a new one with Cuddle Bug for a character who loves to hug and snuggle.

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Cameoflage Cesare Impersonator from Metro Vancouver Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Cesare Impersonator
#4: Nov 22nd 2010 at 2:03:06 AM

Yeah, this is basically a description of the reaction Moe characters inspire. Perhaps its creator thought Moe was a narrower trope than it actually is, or wanted a platonic clone of Perverse Sexual Lust to gush about characters who they would cuddle but not bang.

The redirect Asexual Affection seems like it could have a viable trope in there (assuming we don't already have a trope for non-romantic affection — it seems like something we'd have but I can't think of any applicable tropes other than the only tangentially related Love You And Everybody), but what I'm thinking of wouldn't be very closely connected to what's on the page right now.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#5: Nov 22nd 2010 at 5:36:47 AM

Asexuality covers something close. I think a trope for Platonic Love in general might be nice though. There's Like Brother and Sister, but that's a very specific type of love.

edited 22nd Nov '10 5:39:28 AM by shimaspawn

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PsychoPJ Since: Aug, 2009
#6: Nov 22nd 2010 at 1:02:46 PM

So redirect Perverse Asexual Cuddlelust and start Cuddle Bug. A Platonic Love supertrope would be a good place to put all the non-romantic relationship under. Should we also start a trope for Asexual Affection under Platonic Love?

JackMackerel from SOME OBSCURE MEDIA Since: Jul, 2010
#7: Nov 22nd 2010 at 4:46:30 PM

I've never heard of "Cuddlebug", and no, not everything needs to be renamed because it's not the common wording.

Put a redirect.

Half-Life: Dual Nature, a crossover story of reasonably sized proportions.
PsychoPJ Since: Aug, 2009
#8: Nov 22nd 2010 at 5:23:12 PM

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuddlebug

There's also the dozens of stores and products named Cuddle Bug around for decades. I'm surprised you never heard of the term before.

wunderklutz Cooler Than You. Since: Nov, 2010
Cooler Than You.
#9: Nov 23rd 2010 at 9:40:11 PM

Honestly, I think it's fine how it is. Cuddlelust can be induced by Moes and Woobies, but not necessarily.

Also I feel like "Cuddle Bug" implies that its the character itself that is all cuddly with another character. Do we have a name for that?

Oh, um... haither.
rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#10: Nov 23rd 2010 at 11:23:02 PM

Okay, then just "cuddlelust"? The "perverse asexual..." part is snowcloned from "perverse sexual..." (lust), it is awkward and short on (devoid of?) meaning.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
Leaper Since: May, 2009
#11: Nov 24th 2010 at 12:15:47 AM

Not to mention the fact that, by the trope definition, it's not perverse. (And how the heck can something be both perverse and asexual - in the context these words are being used - anyway???)

Sackett Since: Jan, 2001
#12: Nov 24th 2010 at 6:43:52 AM

Preverse should probably be removed.

Also, it should not be redirected to Moe, as Moe can generate perverse lust.

PsychoPJ Since: Aug, 2009
#13: Nov 24th 2010 at 9:41:13 AM

I think we need to at least keep Perverse Asexual Cuddlelust as a redirect since it's already been somewhat propagated. Or do one of those site-wide tag replacement (don't know how though). Still needs a rename though if we're keeping it.

Cuddle Bug is blue.

edited 24th Nov '10 11:59:05 AM by PsychoPJ

Sackett Since: Jan, 2001
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#15: Nov 24th 2010 at 8:00:22 PM

That seems like cuddling after sex.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#16: Nov 25th 2010 at 3:09:59 AM

Suggest merging description/content (no examples) of Perverse Asexual Cuddlelust to Cuddle Bug, and making PAC a redirect to CB.

edited 25th Nov '10 3:10:45 AM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
mmysqueeant I'm A Dirty Cowboy from Essairrrrcks Since: Oct, 2010
I'm A Dirty Cowboy
#18: Nov 25th 2010 at 11:28:41 AM

Um, what about "Perverse" is incompatible with "Asexual"?

per·verse Adjective /pərˈvərs/

Synonyms: adjective: vicious, perverted

1. (of a person or their actions) Showing a deliberate and obstinate desire to behave in a way that is unreasonable or unacceptable, often in spite of the consequences Kate's perverse decision not to cooperate

2. Contrary to the accepted or expected standard or practice in two general elections the outcome was quite perverse

3. (of a verdict) Against the weight of evidence or the direction of the judge on a point of law

4. Sexually perverted.

Sexually perverse is not even close to the main meaning of perverse. Remember Most Tropers Are Young Nerds . Say "Well that's just perverse" to someone over the age of 25 and I feel it's unlikely their mind will just jump to 'sexually'.

Leaper Since: May, 2009
#19: Nov 25th 2010 at 12:28:17 PM

Even if so (and I'm still not sure it is), it's still incompatible with the trope definition itself, unless you think supportive kindness/physical gestures are perverse too.

mmysqueeant I'm A Dirty Cowboy from Essairrrrcks Since: Oct, 2010
I'm A Dirty Cowboy
#20: Nov 25th 2010 at 12:41:41 PM

[up] Well, this is the problem I have with the trope name as is. To me, Perverse Asexual Cuddlelust suggests someone who wants to cuddle, say, a Tsundere (am I using that right?), where it would be highly inadvisable, or inappropriate, or some such thing.

I do like the other meanings of perverse, and I would hope that they don't die, which is why I made the post.

Roxor Only Sane Fox from Land Down Under Since: Jan, 2001
Only Sane Fox
#21: Nov 25th 2010 at 8:24:58 PM

The first two thirds of the existing name are a contradiction. "Perverse" is immediately connected to sex in most people's minds. "Asexual" means "not sexual", resulting in a logical contradiction. The name has got to go. A logical contradiction that glaringly obvious has no place on any web site, let alone TV Tropes.

edited 25th Nov '10 8:27:01 PM by Roxor

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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#22: Nov 25th 2010 at 10:23:05 PM

That's what I said in post 11. Post 18 is arguing against it, but I'm not sure I agree. Even if I'm wrong, my reply in post 19 sums things up in my mind.

Sackett Since: Jan, 2001
#23: Nov 26th 2010 at 1:28:32 PM

Cuddle Bug was just created on the 24th. It should just be cut.

And the crowner makes no sense, what does "with examples" mean?

edited 26th Nov '10 1:31:02 PM by Sackett

Leaper Since: May, 2009
#24: Nov 26th 2010 at 3:19:33 PM

With the same pic as PAC, no less...

PsychoPJ Since: Aug, 2009
#25: Nov 26th 2010 at 3:24:43 PM

Sorry. That's redundant with No Examples. Tropes that attract Natter and edit war often go with no examples.

As for the picture, I wasn't sure what would happen with Perverse Asexual Cuddlelust, so I just left them with the same image for now.

edited 26th Nov '10 3:27:31 PM by PsychoPJ

20th Apr '10 12:00:00 AM

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