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rjung He's just some guy, you know? from Fifth and Main (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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#51: Sep 7th 2010 at 11:10:03 AM

I still don't know why Cars gets the hatedom it does.

—R.J.

Roundy210 Since: Apr, 2009
#52: Sep 7th 2010 at 11:46:23 AM

it's not that it's bad per se, it's just that compared to the rest of Pixar's films, it's not that good. It's still better than most of the crap they put out for kids these days, but for a Pixar film, it's not too good.

In layman's terms:

Cars 7/10

Everything Else by Pixar: 10/10

edited 7th Sep '10 11:46:32 AM by Roundy210

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#53: Sep 7th 2010 at 3:33:30 PM

^ You mean Everything Else By Pixar: 11/10.

edited 7th Sep '10 3:33:48 PM by Ronnie

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#54: Sep 7th 2010 at 10:34:34 PM

To make specific points, the story wasn't as fresh or original or their other concepts, the characters didn't stand out on the whole like they do in their other movie's, and the writing and dialogue just wasn't as tight. That, and it just kind of lacked that... Pixaritude. Pixarism. Pixonite. That magical ingredient; that ineffable Pixarness.

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#55: Sep 7th 2010 at 11:33:57 PM

I agree that Cars wasn't their strongest point, but I would still put it over A Bug's Life, to pick an example (though I like ABL as well).

Maybe I'm seeing stuff where there isn't, but I kinda liked that Cars didn't have a clear-cut antagonist (Chick is a Jerkass, but he wasn't actively making trouble for McQueen) and that the movie wasn't afraid to slowly make its point. I find it to be a cinematic equivalent of a casual Sunday afternoon...

—R.J.

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#56: Sep 8th 2010 at 7:20:32 AM

I thought Cars was a lot better than The Incredibles, and that film was the least Pixar-like. Not that I disliked that either.

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#57: Sep 8th 2010 at 6:18:46 PM

Hopper, man. That's good enough for me.

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#58: Sep 8th 2010 at 6:22:55 PM

I also hate that Cars is a Cash-Cow Franchise. When compared to Pixar's better movies Cars gets an excess of merchadise.

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OldManHoOh It's super effective. from England Since: Jul, 2010
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#59: Sep 8th 2010 at 6:31:42 PM

Other than Toy Story, how exactly do you merchandise them?

While I disagree with the reasons, I can still understand Cars' So Okay, It's Average reputation. But why is A-fucking-Bug's Life mainly ignored? It's not even the black sheep, it's just sort of...oh yeah, that one.

edited 8th Sep '10 6:36:28 PM by OldManHoOh

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#60: Sep 8th 2010 at 7:36:27 PM

Personally I never understood it myself why everyone hates or ignores A Bugs Life. I really enjoyed the film and thought it was one of PIXAR's most epic movies. Perhaps it's because they keep comparing it, albeit unfavorably, to Antz.

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#61: Sep 8th 2010 at 10:31:23 PM

I've always loved A Bug's Life too. Aforementioned Hopper is one reason, but it always seemed to have the most likeable, grabable characters in Pixardom. It's easy to just kind of hop into the world, pick a friend, and go along for the ride.

Also, I personally think it's Pixar's funniest, movie, but I'm sure that's contentious.

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#62: Sep 8th 2010 at 11:41:50 PM

I think the big weakness of A Bug's Life is Flik's character — or, rather, the lack of it. Aside from the OMG zany dreamer angle, he's rather nondescript, so it's harder for the audience to bond with him and remember him after the movie's over. Compare that with the characters everyone else remembers — namely Hopper and the Circus Bugs, who are oozing with quarks and personality all over the place.

—R.J.

Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
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#63: Sep 9th 2010 at 12:13:41 PM

I dunno, I always kind of identified as Flik, being the extremely socially awkward yet science-esque engineer that I am.

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#64: Sep 9th 2010 at 12:55:10 PM

Yeah, I know, but as a character he's a Ridiculously Average Guy, and has a hard time getting audience interest as a result.

The only other Ridiculously Average Guy protagonist in a Pixar movie I can think of is Marlin from Finding Nemo, and — just like Flik — he's always overshadowed by the other characters in the film. Where Finding Nemo succeeds is that Marlin is in a situation many people can identify with, so the audience has a much easier time bonding with him.

—R.J.

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#65: Sep 9th 2010 at 1:23:59 PM

Shit. I still need to see Up.

I'm going to rent it this week.

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Sporkaganza I'm glasses. Since: May, 2009
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#66: Sep 12th 2010 at 4:32:49 PM

I think A Bug's Life gets some leeway from a lot of Pixar fans compared to cars because it was one of their earlier efforts. Also, the fact that Randy Newman did the score gives it a bit more of the "Pixar-ness" that Cars seems to lack.

edited 12th Sep '10 4:34:08 PM by Sporkaganza

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#67: Sep 12th 2010 at 4:38:12 PM

^ Randy Newman did the score for Cars as well, just not the songs.

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#68: Sep 12th 2010 at 4:41:00 PM

...I didn't know that.

I dunno, though. No one remembers the score for Cars but Bug's Life has the iconic theme... the one they used in the trailer for Cars, interestingly enough.

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#69: Sep 12th 2010 at 5:20:42 PM

Actually, Newman wrote (but didn't sing) "Our Town". The rest of the songs are other people though.

I haven't seen Up or Toy Story 3 yet, but A Bug's Life may well have the most memorable of Pixar's soundtracks, though WALL-E and Monsters, Inc. have their moments too.

edited 12th Sep '10 5:22:16 PM by OldManHoOh

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#71: Sep 12th 2010 at 5:27:24 PM

Oh. Can I replace that with The Incredibles instead? That had a really jazzy spy fiction type thing.

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#72: Sep 12th 2010 at 6:00:29 PM

Yeah, The Incredibles probably has my favorite music out of any Pixar movie. Michael Giacchino knocked it out of the park. Second-favorite is Thomas Newman's score for Finding Nemo. The Nemo Egg Theme is... well, give a listen:

edited 12th Sep '10 6:00:39 PM by Sporkaganza

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#73: Sep 12th 2010 at 7:16:29 PM

My fave specific score cues, are probably Cowboy from Toy Story 3, Married Life from Up, and Golden Age from The Incredibles.

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#74: Sep 12th 2010 at 10:00:44 PM

DAMN YOU SPORK. ;_;

And Newman did Cars? Huh; I can't hear it. Must just be me.

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ShadowScythe from Australia Since: Dec, 2009
#75: Sep 12th 2010 at 10:38:58 PM

I gotta say, I'd been missing all the pixar movies since Cars. Actually I'd been missing all CGI movies since the year with Cars and Happy Feet (BLEGH) and Over the Hedge (that was...decent). And then this year I saw How to train your dragon (pretty good for Dreamworks I guess but not that memorable) and then I saw Up on DVD and Toy Story 3 in theatres, and then I thought "holy crap what have I been missing?". Aad since then I've been binging through all the pixar movies all over again.

A lot of the older movies have become even more awesome now that I'm watching them in retrospect, I never noticed half the stuff in Incredibles (Helen suspecting bob having an affair, HOW DID I NOT NOTICE SOMETHING THIS OBVIOUS) when I first saw it.

Basically, Pixar thanks for reminding me that animation is absolutely awesome and CGI animation is not a bunch of lame poop jokes and ink suit actors spewing popculture references.


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