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I figured it was high time we had a thread for everyone's* favorite turn-based strategy RPG, Fire Emblem. Hopefully whatever discussion we have won't be marred by a surfeit of hardcore fans going "dagnabbit you kids and your easy English-language Fire Emblems", unlike that on some other sites.

Anyway! Share your FE experiences, thoughts, hopes, and RAAGE.

Personally, I got hooked on the series with Sacred Stones after seeing Marth and Roy in Super Smash Bros Melee, and got Radiant Dawn and enjoyed that too, especially since it was significantly harder than SS. I really missed support convos though, since they were a big part of the series' charm- the base info conversations and gameplay made up for it though. I recently got Shadow Dragon, and I'd have to say it's not nearly as entertaining, mostly because the characters lack, well, character. Most of them get one join-up line with some scant hints of their motivations, and then that's it- they become depersonalized units, just tools for you to use. The levels are interesting and the reclass feature is really cool, but with such flat characters (not to mention a pretty bare-bones plot), it just doesn't do it for me. I'll still play it for the challenge, or if I get bored, but it's hard to feel the same enthusiasm I had for the other Fire Emblems I've played.

Anyway, enough of my ranting- your turn to talk!

  • Maybe not everyone's, but c'mon, hyperbole is what ALL the cool kids are doing these days.

Edited by nombretomado on Dec 20th 2019 at 9:29:27 AM

RedHunter543 Nothing is absolute. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Nothing is absolute.
Aug 6th 2020 at 8:53:41 PM

Man, this is more fucked up than the fan fics of Edelgard and Byleth doing it in Rhea's room.

[up] I think we have to remember that FE is Japan based, so the mere accusation that Arvis has Loptous heritage is enough to ruin his life.

Even if it comes from a creepy old guy in a cloak that nobody likes.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:55:38 AM

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread
Aug 6th 2020 at 8:57:10 PM

I also never found him working with the cult sympathetic or logical in any sense. Like how are they blackmailing him with his Loptousian heritage? The guy's a duke and captain of the royal guard. Without proof, I doubt anyone of importance would believe such to be true.

I'd like to imagine a scenario where Manfroy tries blackmailing Arvis, only for Arvis to point out how Manfroy dresses and asks "And you expect people to believe you over me?" right before either burning him to death or having the guards haul him off to rot in a dungeon.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:58:45 AM

RedHunter543 Nothing is absolute. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Nothing is absolute.
Aug 6th 2020 at 9:00:00 PM

[up] Good ending achieved. Arvis conquers the world and creates world peace.

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread
RedHunter543 Nothing is absolute. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Nothing is absolute.
Aug 6th 2020 at 9:05:11 PM

[up] See? All these false accusations is why Loptous must take over.

If everyone is crushed under Loptous, no more false accusations and thus peace may reign forever.

RedRob Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Aug 6th 2020 at 9:07:06 PM

[up]x5 Hard for me to believe that when as far as I'm aware, you don't see anybody making false accusations like that to get rid of their enemies in-game.

Plus Japan was a feudal society that got nuked into adopting a democracy. Arvis is like second only to the royal family. Even if evil dragon blood was a real thing, I doubt anyone in Japan would believe it if the Deputy Prime Minister was accused of such.

Edited by RedRob on Aug 6th 2020 at 12:08:45 PM

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet Unless I grew it. In that case, throw it in the trash.
RedHunter543 Nothing is absolute. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Nothing is absolute.
Aug 6th 2020 at 9:11:41 PM

[up] Has Japan's leaders got any accusations the same way people throw out sexual assault allegations against Trump or Biden?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 6th 2020 at 9:16:03 AM

RedRob Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Aug 6th 2020 at 9:46:42 PM

Closest I can find is breaking campaigning laws and other political misdeeds, but that's not really the same thing as claiming they're sexual predators. It's easier to find evidence of the former than the latter. Plus the current PM got reelected like twice.

Honestly, I feel like the fact no-one accused him of such is proof that's one reputation in Japan is not easily tarnished. Otherwise, his political opponents would have tried it by now. Doubt anything like that happen in the past either.

The thing with Arvis's situation is that there's really no proof of his heritage. It's one thing if a birth certificate says so, but in a Medieval Society, there's no such thing.

Overall, what I saying is that Japan doesn't really seem like a country to believe in accusations like that without proof. Maybe it would work if you said it about your neighbor, but I doubt it's that easy to ruin a prominent figure's reputation like that. Even harder when the rules of your society would say Arvis is your superior and that you should obey and respect him. Especially when he has the manpower to enforce such. Worst case is that a Civil War happens, but I doubt anybody of significance would go against Arvis. In which, it's just a bunch of peasants getting BB Qed.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet Unless I grew it. In that case, throw it in the trash.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
Aug 7th 2020 at 5:32:08 PM

Going back to the hot take generator...

"Tharja needs a summer alt in Heroes" I...actually don't think she has one, surprisingly.

"Linhardt ended incest" In this series? Clearly I've underestimated his power.

"Ylgr is the worst character in the franchise" Bit of an overreaction - there are far skeevier Token Mini-Moe characters in this franchise.

"Ismaire's character is just a better version of Glen" An interesting claim, especially considering that Glen gets a good deal more screentime.

"Sonya is the best character in Shadows of Valentia" There could probably be a legitimately compelling argument here, actually.

"Ymir is the best character in the franchise" I'm just going to take this opportunity to note that Ymir seems to have robbed Heroes of using at least one name from Norse Mythology due to Shadow Dragon having come out several years before.

"Nomah is only liked because of their tits" ...No comment.

"Fates has major issues with romance" I thought these were supposed to be hot takes?

Oh God! Natural light!
HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
Aug 7th 2020 at 5:39:58 PM

This may just be my interpretation, but I kinda get the feeling that if Arvis really loved anyone it was his right-hand woman, General Aida (who he HAS seemingly been intimate with at least once given one of the Thracia party members is implied to be their son), but the difference in social standing between them and the fact that Arvis had designs on moving up from Duke to King meant that when fate threw him a princess he just decided to roll with it.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
RedRob Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Aug 7th 2020 at 5:51:29 PM

"Kaze's character is just a worse version of Effie."

That's so hot, my eyes burned reading it.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet Unless I grew it. In that case, throw it in the trash.
dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread
Aug 7th 2020 at 5:59:47 PM

[up][up]And apparently decided to keep rolling with it once he found out she was related to him. The mother complex is strong, I guess.

mariovsonic999 Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing.
Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing.
Aug 7th 2020 at 6:08:36 PM

[up]Yes, because divorce exist in Jugdral. And royalty, no less.

Edited by mariovsonic999 on Aug 7th 2020 at 6:08:36 AM

Fire Emblem Heroes Code: 4547311645 Fate/Grand Order Code: 188037115
dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread
Aug 7th 2020 at 6:14:06 PM

I mean, according to this interview, his reason for continuing to roll with it was:

However, after discovering his wife was in fact his sister, his feelings still hadnít changed. He simply tried his best to not let Diadora find out the truth.

Got to give it to the guy, when he commits, he really commits.

Though I do have to say once again that one part of that interview kind of makes me uncomfortable:

However, after discovering his wife was in fact his sister, his feelings still hadn't changed. He simply tried his best to not let Diadora find out the truth. The sorrow that Diadora would feel after discovering the truth was the most unbearable thing for him... In the end, although Diadora never recovered her memory, she did discover that Sigurd was her husband, but she didn't hate Alvis at all. When her own son Julius was about to kill her, she didnít show any resistance, which is due to her subconsciously trying to repent for her crime.

I don't know if it's just a translation thing, but I have to ask: what exactly was Deirdre's crime supposed to be?

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Aug 7th 2020 at 6:26:02 AM

RAlexa21th Cuteness lover from California Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Cuteness lover
Aug 7th 2020 at 6:15:11 PM

Sounds like some sort of victim blaming

A lesson without pain is meaningless.
Aug 7th 2020 at 6:27:15 PM

I assume it means the fact she cant bring herself to hate Arvis who did it, and thus by proxy avenge him.

mariovsonic999 Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing.
Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing.
Aug 7th 2020 at 6:28:03 PM

Probably was bad translation or bad wording. Because from what I got out of it, Deirdre eventually did find out or make the conscious sense of the implication that the man that was executed was her husband. Considering that she and Sigurd are together in Chapter 10, there's implication that she found out the truth.

Also, fun fact. She found out the truth in the Oosawa manga and there was even a Hope Spot of Arvis and Sigurd maybe not killing each other, but alas.

Edited by mariovsonic999 on Aug 7th 2020 at 6:30:21 AM

Fire Emblem Heroes Code: 4547311645 Fate/Grand Order Code: 188037115
dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread
Aug 7th 2020 at 7:14:24 PM

I assume it means the fact she cant bring herself to hate Arvis who did it, and thus by proxy avenge him.

Which would still be a yikes to me. Telling a gaslighted victim that her not feeling a certain way is a crime feels...uncomfortable.

Still, maybe that can be salvaged by making it something Fanon Petty Shithead Loptous says.

Listen, Seliph. Do you know why your mother did not resist when I killed her? She was repenting for her crime: giving birth to you. Giving birth to a brat so selfish he won't even pay for his father's cremation. And yet you still stand here refusing to die and letting her atone? Tell me, Seliph...why do you hate your mother?

RedRob Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Aug 7th 2020 at 7:16:21 PM

Maybe the crime was leaving the forest? Or giving birth to Julius?

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet Unless I grew it. In that case, throw it in the trash.
RedHunter543 Nothing is absolute. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Nothing is absolute.
Aug 7th 2020 at 8:44:55 PM

Oh christ, i agree Dragonfire, that's fucked up. Victim blaming Deirdre, but my view is that not avenging Sigurd and doing it with Arvis was her " crime. " It's technically infidelity. Seriously, Arvis's relationship with Deirdre whether you blame him or not, is still creepy and crossing the MEH IMO.

[up][up] Also that is such a Ridley line.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 7th 2020 at 8:48:26 AM

Nouct Probably overthinking this post from Studying abroad Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Probably overthinking this post
Aug 13th 2020 at 12:11:22 PM

Fan take on Mirage Leif and Ares

They look neat and I kinda wish they were real

"This is tremendous content, where's my phone"
EpicBleye be gay do gacha 🏳️‍&#127752 from outside the closet Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
be gay do gacha 🏳️‍&#127752
Aug 13th 2020 at 7:30:30 PM

yeah, as much as i respect Kaga as the creator of the Fire Emblem series, i'm seriously not a fan of the dude in general. he clearly had some... peculiar tropes he put into his work pretty often, and a lot of the creative decisions/ethical justifications for plot points he's made are kinda... gross.

Edited by EpicBleye on Aug 13th 2020 at 10:30:42 AM

"There's no room for new goodies in THIS gacha game!" ~Tamamo-no-Mae
MightyMatilda Never Forget from New Jersey, USA
Never Forget
Aug 13th 2020 at 7:32:45 PM

[up]I heard that he hated axes with a burning passion.

De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.
Aug 13th 2020 at 7:33:19 PM

Hey the later games as theyve gotten more Animay continue the tradition.

Like for all the problems with Kaga, I can't marry the 1000 year old dragon who was a little girl!

Or in the case of Sothis was a grown woman who spirit is incomplete so she's now a nine year old.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Aug 13th 2020 at 7:33:28 AM

RedHunter543 Nothing is absolute. Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Nothing is absolute.
Aug 13th 2020 at 7:41:31 PM

[up] You will marry the centuries year old little girl to spite Edelgard though. XD

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 13th 2020 at 7:41:53 AM


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