Fire Emblem Warriors represents more games than regular Hyrule Warriors did even after DLC.
Comparing it to Hyrule Warriors Legends is not fair.
This song needs more love.Fire Emblem Warriors is the only Musou game I've ever played (and probably the only one I ever will, for the time being), so I'm not really disappointed in how it turned out compared to other Musougames.
"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
x2 It's not just about games represented though, it's about parts/characters of the franchise represented. A lot of Hyrule Warriors cast are amalgam characters of all of the Links, Zeldas, Ganondorfs, etc. They hit on all of the major players in the series, from the Skyward Sword era, to the Twilight Era, to the Toon Era, to Link's Awakening, etc. Unless people want to argue that Zelda 1 and Adventure of Link had prime material waiting for a character somewhere.
On the other hand, each title in Fire Emblem is very different and unique. There are specific characters in each title. But...we got three parts of a very large franchise represented, with a sprinkle of barely anything from a couple of other parts. It's not a very comparable situation.
x3 FEW at least had a lot of technical improvements over Hyrule Warriors. The AI can be reasonably counted on to accomplish side tasks (given an advantage, at least...), the movesets, while disappointingly full of clones, all feel effective this time around, and the missions are more varied and interesting I think.
Edited by ILikeRobots on Feb 7th 2019 at 9:08:56 AM
Adventurers: homeless people who steal from tombs and kill things.To be fair, I only did the first ten-ish chapters in FEW while I was playing ZW (to compare the two games with one another), so maybe I'm missing good stuff that happens later on. I don't dislike it, mind you, I just felt that the style was just so similar.
I think it's partly the music's fault.
I'll have to go back on my Switch to continue playing those games one of these days.
Again, most of that wasn't until the re-release. All of the characters in the base game were from three games. All of them. There was nothing from Wind Waker, nothing from Link's Awakening, nothing from A Link to the Past, nothing from Majora's Mask until DLC, etc. Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, and Impa did take stuff from other games, but the vast majority of it was also from those three games.
It's fine if you didn't care for FEW's cast but don't pretend that HW didn't limit itself in the exact same way.
Edited by LordVatek on Feb 7th 2019 at 12:23:29 PM
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Sure, the base game, but, but how long did the re-release take to come out? It came out pretty quickly, without a lot of a lot of "wait for the sequel." Even with the first batch of DLC long before the re-release, HW expanded its representation of the series much more than FE Warriors did, and it just kept getting more diverse from there.
It would be easy for them to shove more characters from the first three games in, but did they? Nope.
So, it's not the same. Not in the least.
Edited by ILikeRobots on Feb 7th 2019 at 9:27:23 AM
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It took about a year and a half for Legends to be released. I would not call that "quick" by any metric.
The first batch of Hyrule Warriors DLC added three characters, one from a game already represented and two from the same game. Fire Emblem accomplished more than that in base with Celica and Lyn.
Edited by LordVatek on Feb 7th 2019 at 12:33:10 PM
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But HW didn't stop there. It kept adding more and more diverse representation with each pack and the re-release, whereas FE's packs introduced more of the same. The height of our diverse representation stopped with two characters at base. edit: (And two characters that were last-minute additions by the developers, as well.)
Plus FE Warriors has been out for a while now too. So it's not like there hasn't been time to diversify things up. They just haven't.
Edited by ILikeRobots on Feb 7th 2019 at 9:36:28 AM
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There were no other packs after the first batch. That was it until a year and a half later. They did stop with just having Majora's Mask as the only new game.
True they haven't made a follow up yet but why would they when everyone complained about the first one?
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I meant as a whole, not just the first DLC pack. The game didn't stop with Majora's Mask. It ran the full gamut by the time all of the characters that were in it were in it.
Because...people have a point about the representation being poor and they want to appeal to a wider part of the fanbase? Because they peddled the whole "wait for the sequel" at everyone who brought up that issue with it? Because a lot of people fell back on the "wait for DLC for your diverse representation"? Because there are people who like the franchise who like other parts of it and want to see it represented? I could pick out a lot of reasons.
Don't know why people treat the "FE Warriors should have made an effort to represent the entire franchise and appeal to as wide an audience as possible" like it's some kind of outlandish statement. I never have.
Adventurers: homeless people who steal from tombs and kill things.Warriors has been pretty upfront about focusing on three games, so I'm not particularly disappointed.
Honestly, I kind of liked that they decided to focus on a few games. If they decide to make a sequel, I wouldn't mind if they did the same thing and picked around three games to focus on; personally, I'm hoping for the Elibe games at the very least to be represented (and especially hoping for either Canas or Niime to be playable).
Edited by dragonfire5000 on Feb 7th 2019 at 9:51:20 AM
"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."![]()
I don't take issue with people wanting more games represented, I take issue with people pretending that Hyrule Warriors was so much better with representation when it wasn't. Not until Legends came out and comparing a game to another game's updated version isn't fair.
Edited by LordVatek on Feb 7th 2019 at 12:50:23 PM
This song needs more love.That's part of the issue though. That Legends did come out. I don't see how it's an issue comparing it. FE Warriors came out in October 2017. Warriors games don't take a long time to make. If they really wanted to, they could have just as easily given us that updated, diverse representation. I mean, they're falling back on Moveset Clone for a large portion of the characters and DLC anyway, so...more cost and time saving.
Legends showed that the developers were actually concerned with the diversity issues and made that effort to represent the wider franchise and give parts of the fanbase that may not have cared for the base roster something.
We're kinda high and dry over here in FE Warriors.
Edited by ILikeRobots on Feb 7th 2019 at 9:52:40 AM
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Now you're just complaining that they're not working fast enough?
Edited by LordVatek on Feb 7th 2019 at 12:57:53 PM
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Uh? No? My point is that if they really cared about giving us diversity, there's plenty of time for them to have done it. Plus it wouldn't even cost them resources since they cloned all of the DLC anyway.
Edited by ILikeRobots on Feb 7th 2019 at 9:59:08 AM
Adventurers: homeless people who steal from tombs and kill things.It hasn't even been that same 1.5 years from release for FE Warriors as Hyrule Warriors had yet. Also, 1.5 years is a crazy short development cycle for games these days.
FE: New Mystery Only Feet 7PM PT Sun, Mon, Fri; Umamusume Haru Arima 7PM PT Wed, Thurs: http://www.twitch.tv/kuroitsubasatenshi
x2 But the game is already built. They already have an easy 95% if not more of the assets they'd need to diversify or re-release. They have the base movesets they'd use. They don't need years to slap a new skin on a moveset/set of animations/model they already have, record some lines, and put it in. Hyrule Warriors had it harder since they created new movesets and whatnot for their inclusions.
Unless they're gonna pull a Three Houses (which, given how hush-hush they've been on news of that game, I guess it's possible) where we're gonna hit July and suddenly hear about "FE Warriors Definitive Edition With More of the Franchise This Time" coming out within the next couple of months, I don't think a lot is happening.
Adventurers: homeless people who steal from tombs and kill things.Would probably depend on what they're adding. More maps would be pretty intensive on art assets. Also, not all move sets were clones. An eyebrow-raising amount were, but each DLC usually had at least one new one and the base game was somewhat light on cloning (the main glaring offender being bows).
Nintendo is super lazy about advertising, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if we had a pretty short notice on a new FE Warriors release.
FE: New Mystery Only Feet 7PM PT Sun, Mon, Fri; Umamusume Haru Arima 7PM PT Wed, Thurs: http://www.twitch.tv/kuroitsubasatenshiThey've only really been lazy (or secretive) with Three Houses as of late. Awakening and Fates got mega-advertised, and even Shadows of Valentia got some pretty good focus, especially in comparison to most early titles.
Maybe this extends to everything related to Three Houses, but I'd be confused that they wouldn't pull the same thing they've done before with a new game. When we were first learning about Three Houses, if an FE Warriors expansion was really underway, why wouldn't we get the announcement of Edelgard and friends as feature characters in the "FE Warriors Definitive Edition" coming soon, plus a bunch more.
I mean, Heroes had the first batch of Valentians before the game came out, and way back in the day Roy was in Melee before Binding Blade came out.
We're apparently only a few months away from release now, so their window is getting gradually smaller and smaller.
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Even the DLC introduced from the non-Definitive Edition gave us characters from a different part of the franchise than the first batch, with the exception of Twili Midna.
It's a slightly different case since the cast of Zelda is very much trimmed compared to FE, but it still did a better job of representing the entire franchise without falling back on the "wait for the sequel that may or may not happen in x amount of years."
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