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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#59826: Aug 11th 2016 at 10:34:25 AM

Or Anna. Or Scarlet.

Oh well, I went with Camilla!Shiro, Hinoka!Siegbert, Elise!Kiragi and Sakura!Forrest; may be generic, but felt fitting.

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#59827: Aug 11th 2016 at 10:35:52 AM

[up][up]Camilla x Female Avatar should've been in the game. That is the biggest strike I have against the game.

Honestly, I never had a problem with Hayato and never considered him The Scrappy. After all, he's still more pleasant to be around then people on the Internet. In Revelation, I almost always marry him to Nyx so that Rhajat can be a sorcerer. I should try marrying Hayato to Effie at some point and see what that's like.

Speaking of Hayato, I just realized that there's a slight difference between Tharja and Rhajat. Rhajat seems a bit more...animated in battle. Tharja's critical quotes are kind of monotone-ish and put a greater emphasis on the creepy factor. Rhajat's, on the other hand, make her sound more gleeful and energetic.

A small thing, but I like how it serves to differentiate the two, if only a little bit.

edited 11th Aug '16 10:38:12 AM by dragonfire5000

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#59828: Aug 11th 2016 at 10:36:08 AM

I always forget about Anna. And Scarlet on Revelation is just asking for issues [lol]

Also: Sakura!Forrest is my favorite because he's ADORABLE with her pink/orange hair

[up]My biggest strike is that SOLEIL isn't a Gay Option. You know, the canonically bisexual female, who's bisexualty actually shows up in other supports aside from the S-rank like Rhajat's? Yeah. I mean, I also wanted Forrest as a bi-option but hey.

My issue with Hayato is that he's Ricken, but more irritating. The whole "treat me like an adult while I don't act it at all" thing got old after two minutes with Ricken, and Hayato just set me off. ESPECIALLY since he has an audio quote of "I'm not a child, I'm a grown man.". Fucking really?

And I think that can be assumed because Rhajat it younger than Tharja.

edited 11th Aug '16 10:40:44 AM by BlackSunNocturne

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#59829: Aug 11th 2016 at 10:38:13 AM

Hinoka's flame-red hair actually looks decent on Forrest. And she makes him into a pretty good unit, because she helps compensate for his rather mediocre speed.

Bewitching Eyes
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#59830: Aug 11th 2016 at 10:40:57 AM

Tharja was a Plegian adult. Rahjat is a rebellious teen.

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#59831: Aug 11th 2016 at 10:55:37 AM

[up]Still nice to see some differences that make it clear they're not exact copies. Little things like Asugi being less cynical and Caeldori not being as crippled by self-esteem issues still help to make the characters a bit more distinct.

Now that I think about it...have we ever heard Tharja raise her voice?

edited 11th Aug '16 10:57:07 AM by dragonfire5000

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#59832: Aug 11th 2016 at 10:58:04 AM

Laslow, Inigo and Odin are older versions of Inigo, Severa and Owain, while Caeldori, Asugi and Rahjat are younger versions of Cordelia, Gaius and Tharja. Gotta love what they did there.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59833: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:14:25 AM

To be fair, it's not like Soleil actually is bisexual; the only men she actually marries are Corrin and Forrest, every other S-Rank support just leads to them becoming BFF's. It is possible she's just attracted to cute things in general, which is evident in that she tells Asugi in their supports that he'd be her type if he was cuter; granted, this makes her not marrying Kiragi kind of dubious, since you'd think he'd be cute enough for her.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#59834: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:17:43 AM

[up]Uhh.... No. It's mentioned in her Paralogue by Laslow that she's into girls, and a few other supports do say that.

The fact that she can only S support with males is because of Values Dissonance: Japan as a whole doesn't believe bi/homosexuality is a thing and that it's "just a phase" and must be grown out of. Also, do you not remember the controversy of Soleil with the whole "bisexual erasure" and the fact that the only Gay Options are two characters who are INCREDIBLY sketchy to say the least?

[down]THIS.

edited 11th Aug '16 11:20:20 AM by BlackSunNocturne

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#59835: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:18:56 AM

Not only that, her supports with Nina make clear that she prefers women.

Bewitching Eyes
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59836: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:20:15 AM

Bisexual in the sense of the men part.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#59837: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:24:35 AM

[up]x9 Personally, I never became irritated with Ricken or Hayato, because I understood why they're so eager to be taken seriously, and because they have different reasons for it, though one could argue there's one similarity their reasons share: family.

Ricken wants to be taken seriously because he wants to prove himself to be a useful member of the Shepherds. It's clear that he idolizes Chrom and he wants to be seen as someone who can pull their own weight. Also, since Ricken's family is impoverished, he feels responsibility in trying to restore his family's glory. He feels the weight of responsibility on his shoulders

Hayato, being the adopted son of Chief Fuga, probably feels quite a bit of pressure due to the likelihood he will one day lead the Wind Clan. As a result, it's not surprising that he wants people to take him seriously, especially since it's clear that he wants to impress Fuga and become someone who can protect the man he calls 'father.'

I really can't fault them for wanting to be treated like adults for such reasons.

[up][up][up] I wouldn't say "Japan as a whole," since I know there are Japanese people who don't buy the whole "Homosexuality is a phase" thing, and the game didn't pull that particular card with the Female Avatar and Rhajat. I think "A worryingly large number of people in Japan" might be more appropriate.

edited 11th Aug '16 11:25:06 AM by dragonfire5000

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#59838: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:25:01 AM

[up][up]She can get into a relationship with Corrin and Forrest who aren't women. By the definition of bisexual, that's bisexual. She prefers women, but is able to fall for guys just fine.

[up]Okay, maybe it's like 75-90% of Japan thinks that. But still.

edited 11th Aug '16 11:26:14 AM by BlackSunNocturne

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59839: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:27:58 AM

Except the two guys she marries are the main character, who can get with everyone, and the guy who gets mistaken for a girl because of his fashion sense. Those are the only two men she ever gets any romantic feelings for period.

Which is why I think she's attracted to cute things in general; women are predominantly cuter than men, so she's more attracted to them, and the one guy she can get with besides Corrin is Forrest, who is arguably the cutest guy in the army.

edited 11th Aug '16 11:31:32 AM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#59840: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:30:33 AM

Uhh... No.

In the English version, some of her non-romantic S Supports are more along the lines of Maybe Ever After. The one with Asugi especially.

To be frank, the fact that Treehouse decided, that in order to quash the controversy around Soleil, to make all of her S Supports aside from Corrin and Forrest's completely non-romantic is kind of a weak justification for Soleil "only" being attracted to those two.

Also: No. Forrest is the most effeminate male in the army. Kiragi is the cutest.

edited 11th Aug '16 11:33:14 AM by BlackSunNocturne

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59841: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:33:10 AM

You say that, but this is the same chick who has a bunny blanket and over a dozen cat posters; she just loves cute things, and it eventually bled into her sexual preference.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#59842: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:35:13 AM

That's not at all how sexuality works

She's just bisexual with a preference for women.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#59843: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:37:21 AM

Yeah. She's a bisexual who happens to like cute things, so she also prefers to date cute people.

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#59844: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:40:58 AM

Part of the reason why I hope the next Fire Emblem game isn't a remake of an older one is because I feel a new game is more likely to have gay options. I may be wrong about that, and I would love to play a remake of Fire Emblem Jugdral where we can see the hot and tragic romance between Sigurd and Arvis, but I'm hoping that the next game will include more options for people who like male x male and female x female.

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#59845: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:45:00 AM

Yeah.

.... Now I'm thinking that Soleil would probably explode upon seeing Astolfo, the Twelfth Paladin of Charlemagne [lol]

[up]I'd be fine with only one Gay Option for each gender, just as long as they aren't super-sketchy people like Rhajat and Niles.

Like, I mean, I love Niles and all, but goddamn.

edited 11th Aug '16 11:45:52 AM by BlackSunNocturne

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#59846: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:54:10 AM

Soleil is also heavily implied to have wanted to go masturbate when she ends up body swapped with Ophelia, so there's that.

@Gay Options: They should have included Silas, Jakob, Felicia, and Azura, as they're present in all paths.

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#59847: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:54:36 AM

[up][up]I hope we get a Camilla-like character in the next game that can only S-rank a female Avatar, just to hear certain parts of the fandom scream in impotent rage. That would be hilarious.

[up]Agreed; if I had my way, at the very least these characters would be gay options:

  • Shared: Azura, Felicia, Silas, Jakob
  • Birthright: Orochi, Rhajat, Saizo, Shiro
  • Conquest: Camilla, Soleil, Niles, Arthur

edited 11th Aug '16 11:57:57 AM by dragonfire5000

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#59848: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:57:54 AM

[up][up]That would have been better, but I doubt IS is that progressive to have 6 Gay Options [lol]

[up]I would have no problems with that though [lol]

Also, Saizo as a Gay Option? I would say Kaden is way more likely. Also, why not Forrest? I mean, Arthur is all of the Bara, but yeah... Though now that I think of it, Benny would also be a good choice

edited 11th Aug '16 12:00:04 PM by BlackSunNocturne

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#59849: Aug 11th 2016 at 12:02:34 PM

[up]Admittedly, the Saizo choice was one of my "not-so-serious" ones, but I'm having a hilarious image of Kaze finding Saizo's journal containing his observations of a Male Avatar and it slowly revealing how his feelings became romantic. Kind of like his DLC conversation with a Male Kana that he fathered.

I didn't pick Forrest because I was a tad bit uncomfortable with the stereotype that "girly-looking guys are gay." With Arthur, it wasn't so much based on bara stereotypes, but because I like the image of Arthur saying to both Avatars how they remind him of why he's dedicated to being a hero: to protect the ones he loves and to make the world a better place.

edited 11th Aug '16 12:04:52 PM by dragonfire5000

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#59850: Aug 11th 2016 at 12:04:43 PM

[up].... PFFFFFFFFFFT [lol]

Okay, that's honestly a hilarious thought.

Basically Saizo's Stalker Journal starts out normal and evolves into Stupid Sexy Corrin, nice

And my comment on Forrest is mainly because Forrest is the type of guy I like (which is why the fact that Niles was the male option somewhat irked me).

edited 11th Aug '16 12:06:56 PM by BlackSunNocturne


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