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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#59601: Aug 2nd 2016 at 9:40:05 AM

Enemy phase speeds that one up.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59602: Aug 2nd 2016 at 9:42:40 AM

80% of Priam's army will throw themselves upon you simply to die. The other 20% is the only faction in it that might be a problem, but it's not especially hard to account for.

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#59603: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:09:06 AM

You don't really get much out of it, so it's not really a big deal if you don't feel like finishing it. However, a good juggernaut will just roll right over them. The huge amount of deployment slots you get is more of a trap than anything else.

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#59604: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:11:24 AM

I personally just went for Robin/Chrom pair up and skipped both phases.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#59605: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:41:18 AM

I'm a bit ashamed that I only beat that Paralogue due to good luck - namely, a Dual Guard preventing Tharja from eating a Luna. She could've survived either a Luna or the subsequent minion onslaught, but not both.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#59606: Aug 2nd 2016 at 11:29:28 AM

That's kinda the thing about Gunter, though. He doesn't look all that old to me. I mean, he's clearly starting to show his age, but he still looks fairly fit. The game gives him stats like he's 90 years old and about ready to fall apart (and if he gets into combat with those initial stats at all, especially in Lunatic Revelation, he pretty much will...). Granted, I suppose it's both playing it straight and subverting it, since when he returns in Conquest, he's way more formidable and about the strength I'd expect for both a grizzled veteran whose age has merely caught up to him, instead of crippling him, and someone empowered by the Rainbow Sage.
Well, if we assume that Gunter's child was fully grown before being murder by Garon's army and Gunter was like.... forty to fifty at that time, by the time Fates plot starts, Gunter's likely a sixty-to-seventy year old at the minimum.

So yeah. I feel that Gunter's shit-tier stats are valid. Plus, pure Jagens often have bad growths because they have something holding them back (sickness old age, stuff like that)

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#59607: Aug 2nd 2016 at 11:58:50 AM

Why would we assume that Gunter's child is fully grown, though? The way the story talks, it's like he was almost certainly in his prime as a knight. So I'd say 24-30 is more likely. This also fits better with how he appears now, so if there was 20 years in-between, he'd be pushing 50, tops.

And yes, while old age is clearly slowing him down, the initial stats are still silly amounts of shit, even for a Jagen. Like, he barely gets to fill the role because Corrin grows so quickly that it's almost always better to have Corrin tanking and fighting instead of, say, Gunter softening and Corrin finishing the job (compare this to the relationship between Fred and Robin that has them do exactly that—at least as far as Lunatic and higher go). Also, you didn't address the Conquest subversion that put his stats more inline with how someone of his standing should be. He gains all of 7 levels and many of his stats rocket up faster than could actually happen even if he were somehow gaining +1 in that stat every level. This is a big enough boost that he can actually tank and fight (at a marked disadvantage, mind) Conquest 25's enemies, even on Lunatic, with a very high probability of surviving.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59608: Aug 2nd 2016 at 12:02:59 PM

Assume he had a kid a lot later in life. It happens.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#59609: Aug 2nd 2016 at 12:35:24 PM

[up][up]On the Conquest thing, I'm not sure at all. Maybe it's because he's been stuck in Valla for a while and was able to light a fire under his ass and start doing work? [lol]

I mean, it's just another case of Conquest having some odd things in it

KuroiTsubasaTenshi Streamer from Twitch Since: May, 2011
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#59610: Aug 2nd 2016 at 12:55:29 PM

[up][up] Maybe if it took place in the modern day, but in medieval times, I find that explanation highly dubious. Sooner rather than later is far more likely, especially when it comes to being a knight in active service who could end up dead any day now. Also supporting this: we know that Fates' cast is so bad at keeping it in their pants that we got the Deep-Realm parental neglection junk, so...

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#59611: Aug 2nd 2016 at 1:02:38 PM

[up]To be fair, there is precedent to the idea that he could've had a kid later in life. Some characters can have kids somewhat late in their lives (such as Reina, Fuga, and Gunter himself if the Avatar S-ranks any of them).

edited 2nd Aug '16 1:06:45 PM by dragonfire5000

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#59612: Aug 2nd 2016 at 1:50:00 PM

While that is a good point, the game still skews things very heavily toward the younger generation, including giving those units a pitifully small support list and having only Corrin as a possible partner.

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#59613: Aug 2nd 2016 at 2:04:50 PM

[up]Oh, no doubt about that. Still, the possibilities existing means that it's not too far-fetched to think that Gunter may have had a kid when his years have really started to pile up. Hey, it's his choice when to have a kid; I'm not judging.

Personally, I always felt the reason for his stat growths not being all that good was because the developers thought it would be funny when he turns into the penultimate boss fight and some players scream "Where the hell were these stats and the Dragonskin skill when you were still on my team, you jackass?!

edited 2nd Aug '16 2:09:10 PM by dragonfire5000

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KuroiTsubasaTenshi Streamer from Twitch Since: May, 2011
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#59614: Aug 2nd 2016 at 2:31:48 PM

Possible, but unlikely enough with the information we're given to the point that I won't believe it without a Word of God.

And that would be funny if only (or maybe it's funnier because of... I'm kinda undecided) he wasn't overshadowed by his own generic Great Knights. Silly Anankos.

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#59615: Aug 2nd 2016 at 2:36:28 PM

[up]Huh. It's been a while since I last played that level, so I don't recall the Great Knights giving me any more trouble than Gunter himself.

I am at least content that the dragon himself is overshadowed by no one.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59616: Aug 2nd 2016 at 2:36:52 PM

Again Medieval times where magic and dragon blood empowered people exist. Applying our Medieval times to them doesn't work. Hell there's Medieval Tanks in the form of the Ballistacian.

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#59617: Aug 2nd 2016 at 2:43:47 PM

I got a bunch of notes for future playthroughs for that project of making a team of avatars based after my troper friends. So far this team is looking to be good, with a Skillful Butler, a Speedy Falcon Knight, a Strong Great Master, and a Tanky Ballistician.grin

Although, I'm still wrapping up the first one's playthrough before I move on to the others...

edited 2nd Aug '16 2:44:26 PM by Konkfan7

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#59618: Aug 2nd 2016 at 2:47:47 PM

[up][up] Generally different, yes, but for more specific details, because it's a story built with inspiration from real life, it carries the whole "same until otherwise stated" caveat. Otherwise, I could basically claim anything I want and say, "Because magic".

[up][up][up] Well, that's kinda the whole point. The mooks aren't very threatening and Gunter is even weaker than them, which just makes the whole situation bizarre, if not funny.

edited 2nd Aug '16 2:48:02 PM by KuroiTsubasaTenshi

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#59619: Aug 2nd 2016 at 2:52:08 PM

[up]About Gunter not being any more powerful than the mooks, I personally interpreted it as some part of Gunter trying to fight off Anankos's control because he doesn't really want to hurt the Avatar.

Kind of like how Takumi, despite his initial distrust of the Avatar, having a relatively fast Support rate with them, which shows that he really does want to bond with them. Or Xander's stats not being very high in the boss fight against him because him causing Elise's death hit him really hard.

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#59620: Aug 2nd 2016 at 3:00:50 PM

[up]iirc they actually directly explain the latter in dialogue afterward. Xander wasn't actually fighting with all of his strength- Corrin points out as such. It implies that he was allowing Corrin to pass while still living to his duty as next in line to king of Nohr.. plus it's likely he views it as atonement for his sins.

edited 2nd Aug '16 3:01:07 PM by EpicBleye

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59621: Aug 2nd 2016 at 3:01:06 PM

[up]x3 And we know it's entirely possible for them to live to the same old age that we can and still fight, even if they aren't as strong as the younger fighters. Hell Nergal and Athos were 1000+ old humans in Elibe. We even know a curse can backfire and make a person eternally young like Nyx. This isn't that out of the ordinary for FE.

Hell the Dragon of Wisdom can bestow eternal beauty on a person.

edited 2nd Aug '16 3:02:53 PM by OmegaRadiance

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#59622: Aug 2nd 2016 at 3:02:31 PM

Aversa would like whatever Nyx is having.

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#59623: Aug 2nd 2016 at 3:03:39 PM

[up]x4 That's plausible, although I find it hard to give up the mental image of Corrin standing there, her hand on Anankos!Gunter's face as he swings feebly under her arms while she looks back at Jakob, asking, "Should I feel sorry for this?" tongue

EDIT: [up]x2 Aside from this not being Elibe, there's no real indication that Gunter falls into the same category as such extreme exceptions as Athos and Nergal. Hell, the closest thing Fates even brings in to them is the Rainbow Sage and he's actually a dragon.

edited 2nd Aug '16 3:09:40 PM by KuroiTsubasaTenshi

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#59624: Aug 2nd 2016 at 3:09:11 PM

[up][up]Well, Aversa clearly would like to stay as she is, not stuck as a loli [lol]

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59625: Aug 2nd 2016 at 3:10:49 PM

She can become a flying pegacentaur instead and die for being evil.

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