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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#59251: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:26:24 PM

[up]Well, his influence does take people's negative feelings and ramp them up to disturbing levels...

Which makes me feel like he would be the perfect Big Bad for any story that crosses over the other games.

edited 23rd Jul '16 8:28:58 PM by dragonfire5000

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#59252: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:27:30 PM

As flawed as Conquest's story is (and it is very flawed), I think I like it the most of Fates's three stories. Birthright is just a straightforward romp to beat the evil kingdom with a dab of family drama on the side. Pretty boring honestly aside from a select few scenes. Rev abandons most of what makes Fates's setting interesting and focuses on more standard JRPG save the world schlock, which is usually the least interesting part of Fire Emblem stories. As dumb as CQ Corrin is, at least the plot follows through on you actually going on a conquest while attempting internal reformation.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#59253: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:27:58 PM

@Pulse: Exactly. I mean, people complain about Revelation not explaining characters or giving an introduction but the thing is:

  • A: Revelation is supposed to be played AFTER Birthright and Conquest, so you should know these characters already.
  • B: Character introductions like Birthright and Conquest would have made Revelation much longer with info dumps.

[up]You mean the internal reformation that only gets decided to happen in the final act of the game? [lol]

edited 23rd Jul '16 8:28:51 PM by BlackSunNocturne

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#59254: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:29:08 PM

[up][up]I feel like it is the most interesting conceptually but executed the most poorly. Revelation is in many ways the most overtly safe of the stories but it's also executed the best, with Birthright somewhere in-between.

I personally am someone who prefers follow-through to intention- "An old story told well" and all that jazz- but I can understand why someone would disagree with me.

edited 23rd Jul '16 8:30:42 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#59255: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:29:35 PM

I occasionally think about actual SMT/FE crossovers, even though TMS wasn't exactly that. Stuff like Manfroy joining the Chaos faction, Lekain signing on to Law, Vaike and Walter becoming Bash Brothers, Mastema and Naesala bonding over shared crow motifs and taste in pretty blonde singers...

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#59256: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:33:44 PM

The reformation stuff isn't well done, but stuff like Corrin subjugating the Ice Tribe (mostly) peacefully, restraining Camilla from getting too kill happy, and protecting POWs where possible does show them trying to improve Nohr in smaller ways aside from just stabbing the obviously evil guy.

I won't defend how no one seems to die unless they do. That's just beyond stupid.

edited 23rd Jul '16 8:33:51 PM by Sterok

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#59257: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:34:03 PM

[up][up]Oh wow, that Mastema and Naesala bit was perfect.

[up]Could you elaborate on the "no one seems to die unless they do" bit?

edited 23rd Jul '16 8:35:29 PM by dragonfire5000

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#59258: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:50:38 PM

Some of the "it's so great we got through that battle without killing anyone!" bits approach early-DBZ-dub levels of implausibility and ridiculousness.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#59259: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:54:31 PM

How does no one die in the Ice Tribe battle? Especially with Niles in the group. How were they able to overpower Hinoka the first time without killing anyone? Why did Sakura's retainers make it while Takumi's were less lucky? All of Fates, but Conquest in particular has a big issue with characters not dying when they're stabbed until they are because the plot dictated so.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#59260: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:56:25 PM

[up]Actually, iirc, Takumi's retainers die only if you attack them. If you run past them (and don't kill them) they live.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#59261: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:01:38 PM

Yeah, but when Peri stabs Hana in the face she's perfectly fine while, and then Peri stabs Hinata in the face a chapter later and he just falls over. Then Peri stabs Setsuna in the face the next chapter, and she's running around all healthy 10 minutes later. It's the inconsistency that screws with Conquest.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#59262: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:14:34 PM

Same thing happens in BR, tho. Beruka survives face-stabbing, Peri does not. And so on.

Bewitching Eyes
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#59263: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:22:59 PM

Conquest's main issue is the no one dies chapters. Specific people dying or not is more of a general Fates issue yeah.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#59264: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:23:26 PM

Retainers can only die if their charge is dead or doomed to die, obviously.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59265: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:24:46 PM

One thing I like that's subtle is that Corn only sees people that are family or people they consider family in the afterlife.

It's the absolute proof certain someone is alive on Birthright and foreshadows Lilith is their sister, whose dragons powers return them to life.

Also considering how retainers disappear entirely after beating said chapters it's more likely the story treats them as dead.

edited 23rd Jul '16 9:26:32 PM by OmegaRadiance

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#59266: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:47:23 PM

So... in Radiant Dawn, whatever happened to Duke Seliora? Don't remember him? He's the Senator with the yellow sash and the pencil mustache. He's the only Senator not to be confronted on the battlefield (he seems to be a total coward); instead he sics Mooks at you for two chapters in Part 3 and then vanishes off the face of the Earth.

edited 23rd Jul '16 9:47:31 PM by HamburgerTime

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59267: Jul 23rd 2016 at 10:05:35 PM

Probably isn't devoted enough to be restored. Which would be saying alot when Oliver lives and betrays them for beauty. Ashera must have betted on herself being too beautiful for him to consider it.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59268: Jul 23rd 2016 at 10:05:42 PM

[up][up] Wait, who's alive in Birthright?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59269: Jul 23rd 2016 at 10:08:11 PM

The one you don't have on Birthright but is playable before then.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#59270: Jul 23rd 2016 at 10:23:34 PM

[up][up][up] Well, Oliver classed up between games so he's bound to be pretty strong...

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59271: Jul 23rd 2016 at 10:36:19 PM

Ashera's blessing made even trainees far more powerful than they should be. They mention that ingame. She specifically restored those loyal to her.

edited 23rd Jul '16 10:36:44 PM by OmegaRadiance

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#59272: Jul 23rd 2016 at 10:49:58 PM

[up]x7 I kinda wish Garon paid a visit to thank Corrin for setting out to kill the bastard controlling his body, and/or offer an apology to Corrin for how shitty everything has been for them as a result of his (body's) actions.

edited 23rd Jul '16 10:52:09 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#59273: Jul 23rd 2016 at 11:37:35 PM

Commissioned someone to make some custom Orochi!Kana portraits for me. I think they turned out pretty well.

Ekimmak Since: Nov, 2010
#59274: Jul 24th 2016 at 12:06:43 AM

I always found it weird that Orochi is one of the characters that would attack you for wandering in during the wrong bathing times. Most of them I get, they're all the short tempered ones. But why Orochi?

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#59275: Jul 24th 2016 at 12:09:17 AM

She is a keg of gun powder rather than the roiling fire of most of the others- Her anger is normally quiet and keeps itself at rest, but should something trigger her wrath she will explode violently.

I sure said that!

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