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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#201: Mar 19th 2010 at 9:36:29 PM

The round you're talking about for Marine sharpshooters is .308 Lapua Magnum I believe.

Edit: I've seen Security Forces Counter-Snipers(We have only two in my unit) use everything from M24's in .308 Winmag to Barret .50 cal anti-materiel rifles. Heard rumours of them using the M14 EBR, but never seen them with one in person. Our two snipers use either M16's kitted out for designated marksmen, or the M24.

edited 19th Mar '10 9:38:15 PM by Barkey

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#202: Mar 19th 2010 at 9:50:24 PM

^ I've heard reviews and rumors that the M14 EBR is a hell of a gun. Just as accurate and reliable as the old M14 of Vietnam, yet much lighter and much more controllable at the same time. Additionally, the EBR can be pimped out to hell with whatever.

edited 19th Mar '10 9:51:09 PM by MajorTom

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#203: Mar 19th 2010 at 9:53:50 PM

I've always seen the EBR with optics on it, not a red dot, but not the high powered long range optics of a designated marksman rifle. More of a rifle that can be used at close range decently, long range if you've got a good position to fire from, and excelling at medium range shots because of the eye relief and distance of the optics used.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#204: Mar 20th 2010 at 12:01:21 AM

Its the intermediate Marksman rifle medium to close range precision elimination or supression. Its a sweet machine. They took the basic design of the M-14 and modernized the shit out of it. Nice Piece the seals supposedly use a modernized m1 garand as well.

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Nornagest Since: Jan, 2001
#205: Mar 20th 2010 at 1:08:32 AM

I had no idea there were that many different sniper rifles used in our military.

edited 20th Mar '10 1:08:57 AM by Nornagest

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Charlatan Since: Mar, 2011
#206: Mar 20th 2010 at 1:29:39 AM

@Tuefel: I thought the M14/M21 was basically a modernized Garand, chambered for 7.62 instead of .30-06...

Nornagest Since: Jan, 2001
#207: Mar 20th 2010 at 1:37:08 AM

I thought the M14/M21 was basically a modernized Garand

Okay, that's something I can answer. IIRC, the M14 was a selective-fire descendant of the Garand used in the late Fifties and early Sixties; it was superseded by the M16 as a primary infantry rifle, but stayed in use for some applications thanks to its accuracy and powerful ammunition. The M21 is a derivative designed as a dedicated sniper rifle.

edited 20th Mar '10 1:46:05 AM by Nornagest

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#208: Mar 20th 2010 at 3:32:38 AM

I took some pictures of my rifle, pistol, and duty gear, just to have some semi-gun porn to post when I get home. I can't upload anything from here.

l3wt from Land of Hills and Fjords Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#209: Mar 20th 2010 at 10:06:19 AM

So Yeah, I've now purchased that rifle I was talking about earlier. Fun times!

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#210: Mar 20th 2010 at 10:30:46 AM

NSBALC: The grips came out nicely.

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NotSoBadassLongcoat The Showrunner of Dzwiedz 24 from People's Democratic Republic of Badassia (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Puppy love
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#211: Mar 20th 2010 at 12:05:11 PM

Dude, my jaw dropped when I saw them for the first time, and when I said they're fucking awesome, my dad replied "They'd be even better with some sanding and polishing."

Also, my USP. With new, more tactical background tongue.

edited 20th Mar '10 12:37:13 PM by NotSoBadassLongcoat

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NotSoBadassLongcoat The Showrunner of Dzwiedz 24 from People's Democratic Republic of Badassia (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Puppy love
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#212: Mar 21st 2010 at 8:08:37 AM

Oh, Barkey, one question: do P226 magazines fit in P229? Asking out of curiosity. It's for a Book and stuff.

Also, funny thing: each one of my World Of Darkness characters uses a different handgun.

  • Mike uses USP Tactical in .45 ACP in Masquerade and in .40 S&W in Requiem.
  • Sara used a pair of Walther P99s at first, then changed them to a SIG P228.
  • Megan and Lex use SIG P229 - it all started with my earlier street racer from Requiem, Selena, on whom both are based (although with changes, Meg is a blonde Pettanko while Lex is a Eerie Pale-Skinned Brunette with Gag Boobs).
  • I never made clear what Callisto used, but it was either a Glock or a CZ.
  • Matt was supposed to use a Glock 19 (illegal one, since the campaign was planned to take place in Amsterdam).
  • Shane was supposed to use a Kimber Custom II (as my only NWOD character with Strength 3).
  • Jim, being a Victorian age vampire, Yankee and a Wild West gunslinger, used a Colt SAA.
  • Nick used a S&W 4013 with faux-ivory grips with a spade (card suit) marking.

edited 21st Mar '10 8:37:15 AM by NotSoBadassLongcoat

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#213: Mar 21st 2010 at 3:27:20 PM

Yeah NSBL, as long as the mags are for the same caliber they are interchangeable for all the sig P 22 X series. So 9mm 226/3/8/9 mags all fit in the different weapons themselves.

I'd really recommend a Browning High Power for a nice gun as well, the BDM has REALLY nice handgrips that just come standard, they sort of have a depression in them like the type of hoodoo garbage Snake was talking about in MGS. But they feel good to fire, and you can only fire it with the tip of the finger, using the middle joint won't pull it back far enough, it's an awesome discipline building gun and shoots really smooth in 9mm.

edited 21st Mar '10 3:29:19 PM by Barkey

NotSoBadassLongcoat The Showrunner of Dzwiedz 24 from People's Democratic Republic of Badassia (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Puppy love
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#214: Mar 21st 2010 at 5:40:58 PM

My dad owns a Browning HP with Pachmayr grips. They're pretty uncomfortable for me, but he has bigger hands, So Yeah...

As for my RPG characters, notice a pattern: nearly all NWOD characters, with the exception of Matt and Shane, use handguns in .40 S&W - that's due to Arbitrary Gun Power: while both 9mm and .40 S&W weapons require Strength 2 and add two dice to your attack pool, the latter have additional bonus of allowing you to reroll 9s for additional damage. Well, at least it's better than the old WOD where you could deal reasonable damage to supernaturals only using shotguns and/or explosives (grenades, rocket launchers etc.).

edited 21st Mar '10 5:41:15 PM by NotSoBadassLongcoat

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#215: Mar 21st 2010 at 6:57:36 PM

I guess that makes sense, 40 SW compromises between the stopping power and powder of a 45 and the accuracy and recoil of a 9mm, I personally don't like 40, I prefer 9mm, its so accurate that I can stitch holes in a target pretty far out.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#216: Mar 22nd 2010 at 2:56:41 AM

.40cals are usually a bit more accurate then 9mm. Unless you get the crappy cheapo ammo and have a crappy gun. They have velocity over both the 9mm and .45. But .45 does have that nice heavier bullet hit. Down side is less accuracy at longer pistol ranges.

.40 is my preferred caliber for a pistol. Those browning high powers though are one sweet pistol to shoot.

edited 22nd Mar '10 2:57:14 AM by TuefelHundenIV

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#217: Mar 22nd 2010 at 3:00:12 AM

At longer ranges I find the .40 has a bit of a curve(Up and down) to it, where as the 9mm has an extremely flat trajectory.

But we're talking about when I shoot at ranges no 9mm handgun has any business shooting at, but I like that sort of thing.

edited 22nd Mar '10 3:01:03 AM by Barkey

NotSoBadassLongcoat The Showrunner of Dzwiedz 24 from People's Democratic Republic of Badassia (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Puppy love
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#218: Mar 22nd 2010 at 12:32:11 PM

Chinese copy of airsoft Walther PPK for $90. I should afford it, but I planned to buy a F2000 and, if resources allow, a shotgun...

Aw hell, I guess they won't run out that fast now. I can wait.

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l3wt from Land of Hills and Fjords Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#219: Mar 22nd 2010 at 1:44:56 PM

^^Isn't a flat trajectory essentially a good thing?

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#220: Mar 22nd 2010 at 1:56:48 PM

A flatter Trajectory yes. The issue with the 9mm though is at range it loses a lot of punch. The max range the Marines trained us to shoot with 9mm is 90 yds beyond that you might as well be using a wrist rocket.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#221: Mar 22nd 2010 at 1:57:14 PM

Depends on range and purpose.

Really flat and speedy (such as certain high caliber rifle and pistol rounds) is good for distance shooting.

However arcing and slower is useful when preventing collateral damage owing to its decreased range.

Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
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#222: Mar 22nd 2010 at 1:58:58 PM

^Yes, flat is good.

Browning Hi-Power is the only handgun I ever fired, given that it was (still is? not sure about that) standard issue to the British armed forces. Seemed pretty nice, though I have nothing to compare it with. I know the Armory guys at RAF Benson that I used to visit were being extra-careful with them, though, after several instances elsewhere in the service — apparently there was some part that could break due to stress, the result being an uncontrolled full-auto firing until the mag ran out, and the final rounds of such potentially landing anywhere since shooters generally could not (& weren't prepared to) control a burst that was that long.

It's been far too long since for me to remember what exactly it was that was failing, and I doubt it had happened more than a couple times, but there were official notices going round at the time about checking them.

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l3wt from Land of Hills and Fjords Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#223: Mar 22nd 2010 at 2:00:22 PM

^^Such as overpenetration, and the like?

edited 22nd Mar '10 2:01:06 PM by l3wt

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#224: Mar 22nd 2010 at 2:02:06 PM

A flatter Trajectory yes. The issue with the 9mm though is at range it loses a lot of punch. The max range the Marines trained us to shoot with 9mm is 90 yds beyond that you might as well be using a wrist rocket.

At that point Carbines are nice but nicer still are battle rifles.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#225: Mar 22nd 2010 at 2:06:09 PM

Hm, have you gotten to test any of the less than lethal and non lethal weapons? The paint ball gun that shoots hardened paint balls full of tear gas sounds like fun.

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