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l3wt from Land of Hills and Fjords Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#226: Mar 22nd 2010 at 2:12:24 PM

I really like the scope on my new rifle... 9x zoom, fuck yes.

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#227: Mar 22nd 2010 at 5:22:38 PM

9mm non-nato standard is nice though.

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#228: Mar 22nd 2010 at 6:35:20 PM

The only non lethal weaponry I've trained on are batons, tazers, OC spray, tear gas, and simunitions. Simunitions are really hard chalk rounds used in training that hurt like a motherfucker. I'm a certified trainer for baton and tazer.

Edit: And that flat trajectory is what I really like about 9mm, I tend to shoot long distance with handguns, so my beretta 92fs is a good choice for that kind of action. I don't really like larger calibers.

edited 22nd Mar '10 6:56:39 PM by Barkey

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#229: Mar 22nd 2010 at 8:42:57 PM

I don't like the slow truck that is the .45 even though it hits like a brick shit house. The .40 is pretty light and has some good punch to it.

that and i hate the Beretta 92f/s and Nato Standard 9mm. The nato stuff is too underpowered. When your bullets bounce off of glass you have a problem.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#230: Mar 22nd 2010 at 10:25:37 PM

^ The same argument has been made against the standard NATO rifle round too. If you see someone take a half-dozen 5.56 rounds and is still living, (which I've heard has happened quite a few times in Afghanistan) you can't say your bullets are powerful enough.

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#231: Mar 22nd 2010 at 10:50:17 PM

Really depends where you hit them, and 5.56 is a wounding round after all. Getting hit in the guts by a round of 5.56 that tumbles means you're pretty much a walking dead man.

Opening up the chest cavity via the sternum is instant win. You also need to remember sometimes those terrorists are doped up to the point of not feeling pain as much.

l3wt from Land of Hills and Fjords Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#232: Mar 23rd 2010 at 5:10:09 AM

Yeah, get hit by six rounds and I suppose you'd bleed out less than two minutes later...

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#233: Mar 23rd 2010 at 8:03:11 AM

Really depends where you hit them, and 5.56 is a wounding round after all. Getting hit in the guts by a round of 5.56 that tumbles means you're pretty much a walking dead man.

Opening up the chest cavity via the sternum is instant win. You also need to remember sometimes those terrorists are doped up to the point of not feeling pain as much.

A wounding round is a bullshit idea. The thought that a wounding round was good was disproven almost immediately.

In the 40+ years its been since the 5.56 and the M16 were developed, the United States military has yet to come across an enemy who actually gives much of a damn about the wounded on the battlefield.

In Iraq both times, if they didn't surrender they fought and they weren't calling medivac choppers to get their wounded guys out. Same with the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Viet Cong, NVA, Grenadan communists and more.

The only military forces that actually care about battlefield wounded that much to where a wounding takes upwards of 3 people out of the fight at hand is NATO. Since NATO doesn't fight each other, the concept is an utter waste.

Seriously, a wounding round is a liability against enemies running on We Have Reserves. Does that mean the 7.62 NATO round deserves another chance? Possibly, but only if you can develop a rifle that handles recoil much better than the stock M14s, FALs and G3s.

Also, I'm pretty damn sure soldiers are trained to shoot to kill, not shoot to wound.

edited 23rd Mar '10 8:03:33 AM by MajorTom

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#234: Mar 23rd 2010 at 8:28:32 AM

It is true that the 5.56 lacks the knock down punch. It doesn't always tumble like it should. has a nasty habit of being through and through even when striking anything but the thicker bones.

Special Ops groups started telling people to aim for the low abdomen pelvic area. As hits to this area cause very intense pain and instantly limit mobility on a major scale. Pelvic hits are worse as the 5.56 usually shatters a portion of the pelvic area and has a high chance of severing a major blood vessel or artery.

Ideally the 5.56mm round fragments inside the target in addition to the tumbling but usually only does so when striking thick bone. The 7.62mm leaves a very large hydrostatic shock trail and tends to pretty much plow over everything it hits.

The problem of waiting for a target to bleed out is that they can possibly still fight back. Id rather shoot them once or twice then not have to worry about them. WWI, WWII, and Korea were all excellent examples of the lethal round design.

It is pointless to use the wounding doctrine. None of our enemies are really on the geneva convention which is kind of a ludicrous attempt to regulate war. Parts of it are good the rest is crap. Typical of all major political documents.

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#235: Mar 23rd 2010 at 8:40:41 AM

Modded M-249 Check this thing out. Shortened Stock/barrel, tactical grip, acog battle sight, and what is either a combat light or a laser pointer device.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#236: Mar 23rd 2010 at 9:20:06 AM

Isn't that the Para version of the FN Minimi?

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#237: Mar 23rd 2010 at 10:04:53 AM

Yep, it is, just fitted with some aftermarket stock. Also, that Afghan guy has the worst clone of AK 47 ever designed.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#238: Mar 23rd 2010 at 10:07:11 AM

You mean an AKM with a rolling wire stock?

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#239: Mar 23rd 2010 at 10:18:50 AM

The para has a double tube stock no mil spec rails but does have that shorter barrel.

Found it MK 48 Mod 0 Saw Variant. Only this one still has the integral bipod still attached.

edited 23rd Mar '10 10:30:32 AM by TuefelHundenIV

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#240: Mar 23rd 2010 at 1:36:55 PM

That's not an AKM, that's a Hungarian AMD-65, a copy that somehow happens to fail more often. Also, those flower decals on it are truly fucking hilarious.

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#241: Mar 23rd 2010 at 1:40:42 PM

I saw those little stickers. They amused me.

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l3wt from Land of Hills and Fjords Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#242: Mar 23rd 2010 at 2:25:23 PM

I guess they give stat bonuses.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#243: Mar 23rd 2010 at 6:23:56 PM

Funny/cute stickers, bible phrases on sights, and all sorts of wonky extraneous stuff add +5 to the accuracy stat of the rifle per each thing.

That means that particular rifle covered in stickers is the most accurate AMD-65 that side of Hungary.

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#244: Mar 23rd 2010 at 9:21:25 PM

It's like how if you put Acura Type R stickers on your vehicle it gains a +5 to Horsepower.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#246: Mar 25th 2010 at 6:41:24 PM

For curious about snipers.

Yes the U.S. Army puts this stuff online.

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#248: Mar 25th 2010 at 10:54:31 PM

Tuefel that must be an older manual no longer in official Do D circulation.

It specifically mentions no longer used (or reserve holding only) equipment such as the M 16 A 1 and M21.

If I were to guess, that's content pulled from the 1980s sniper manuals.

DrRockopolis Rock On from Barsoom Since: Sep, 2009
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#249: Mar 25th 2010 at 11:01:09 PM

A lot of technique is still similar, though, right?

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#250: Mar 25th 2010 at 11:06:18 PM

Aye, most of that is still very relevant, hell, all of it is with the exception of the equipment that isn't in use. Even then most of the rifle issues translate to other rifles just as well.


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