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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#8901: Apr 18th 2014 at 12:51:52 PM

Fair enough, Arha. Why do you have to make sense.

DOmen Since: Jul, 2010
#8902: Apr 18th 2014 at 12:53:20 PM

[up][up] I see. Thank you for the info. Meanwhile we're at volume 19 here. tongue

burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#8903: Apr 18th 2014 at 12:56:03 PM

[up]Jealous. I'd have picked up all of the volumes had they been released here. I can think of a few non-Viz publishers who would have gone for it if it weren't for the Viz exclusivity going on...

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#8904: Apr 18th 2014 at 12:57:31 PM

I think some of the confusion/pacing problems arising here comes from the way time travel was handled. For every character but Keima, this is coming immediately after the end of the Goddess arc. Very little happened since then from their perspective, and none of it was explained to them. All the generic goddess hosts are still reacting to the end of the goddess arc right now. They haven't had time to react to anything else.

For Tenri and Dokuro though, they both made their peace some time over the past ten years. This has been a foregone conclusion that they were expecting since before we even met them. It might be interesting to look back and reinterpret all their actions in this new light, but for them, nothing changed. Their life goes on as it always has. There were no important events or cathartic moments for them.

Keima is the only one who's been through the emotional rollercoaster that the audience is reacting to. Keima is the only one who just learned all these revelations and had his life turned upside down. He's the only one whose world has changed in any way at all as a result of this arc. This is an ending for him, and no one else. This is the ending that only God knows.

...and I guess Elsie exists too. Her story wasn't integrated very well.

edited 18th Apr '14 12:59:55 PM by Clarste

DOmen Since: Jul, 2010
#8905: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:02:01 PM

I'm still kinda miffed on everything past the goddess hunt arc. I mean, were we ever shown the runaway spirits being sealed by the goddesses?

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#8906: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:04:08 PM

Final thoughts on the series overall:

It ultimately was only "okay" to me. It had a massive amount of potential and interesting plot points, but the wrap up was either done too quickly or not developed enough.

It had great characters, but none quite as interesting as Keima, whom I considered one of the most interesting protagonists in a very long time.

Basically: Wasted potential, but a fun ride. Much like most series that I consider my favorites.

DOmen Since: Jul, 2010
#8907: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:05:29 PM

Agreed, Keima was awesome. Everyone else, not nearly as much, but they were still good characters.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#8908: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:05:32 PM

Personally I would say it's a good ending to a bad final arc.

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#8909: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:11:56 PM

The ending was good but rushed, a couple or more chapter would have paced out the revelations properly.

DOmen Since: Jul, 2010
#8910: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:13:36 PM

It was weird to have a journey to the past as the setting for a final arc, especially when it became clear that its objective was to set up the present that already happened. I also never understood the point of introducing Satyr since they could've still used Vintage as some of them escaped after the goddess hunt (including Lune who did show up again).

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#8911: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:16:43 PM

I suspect Wataki originally intended to do more than he ended up doing.

kiukiuclk from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
#8912: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:19:07 PM

Even at the end Kiema implied that he just picked one in order to resolve all the girls feelings. So it feels like he picked Chihiro out of guilt. (Which is kinda funny, since she seemed over it at the end of the goddess arc). Hard to see that working out. She's the one girl who has no idea what was going on, while the others had some idea and he could explain it to them, while Chihiro would just think he was crazy. So he basically has to lie to her.

Kiema never really gave the impression of loving any of them and you don't get the impression he learned anything either. Which is ok. (I kinda hate when people feel like a character has to learn something).

I'm ok with the charachers. I don't think the manga format lends itself to much characterization for for more than a few characters. I think it was good relative to the number of them at least.

Ultimately...yeah, it felt like a rushed ending. It felt like there was supposed to maybe be 1 more arc past the time travel rather than only a few issues. Overall...pretty good series.

edited 18th Apr '14 1:21:37 PM by kiukiuclk

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#8913: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:22:27 PM

Keima's "I had to pick one to avoid problems!" line was an obvious rationalization, because he didn't want to acknowledge he actually had fallen for Chihiro.

Dokuro saw right through it though.

ShinyTsukkomi ( ! ) (Life not ruined yet)
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#8914: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:22:57 PM

I never really had a favorite girl or pairing, so I can't feel the pride or pain of having a preferred ship become canon/rejected.

Regardless, I like how Keima and Chihiro are sorta starting over from scratch instead of going straight for the "Everything somehow forgiven! Time to kiss!" route. And I felt a little bad for Tenri, despite not being surprised at the outcome.

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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#8915: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:24:13 PM

He told Nikaido he chose someone to tie the lose ends, but that's just a rationalization on his part for the fact that he didn't actually liked the hosts as more than friends, unlike chihiro.

[nja]

edited 18th Apr '14 1:24:32 PM by vandro

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#8916: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:25:06 PM

He did not pick Chihiro randomly. That was just some excuse he gave because Keima is the real tsundere in the relationship. Do note that Dokuro immediately called him a liar.

And if you don't think Keima learned anything through the series then I have to ask you to please read TWGOK and not the Kanon spinoff.

DOmen Since: Jul, 2010
#8917: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:25:12 PM

Will the relationship last? Can any real relationship between Keima and a girl last? His experience should only extend to the conquest part, since he said himself that gal games end when the player character and the heroine get together. Does he know anything about maintaining a relationship?

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#8918: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:26:39 PM

No, he doesn't. How many teenagers with no real dating experience do? They'll stumble through things and maybe they'll stay together or maybe they'll break up in a year.

DOmen Since: Jul, 2010
#8919: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:29:51 PM

So, Keima will have to act like a normal person? That's truly strange to think about.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#8920: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:31:17 PM

But this verse runs on manganime relationship rules, and there any relationship with a chance of succeeding must be forged before you're 18.

burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#8921: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:31:41 PM

I find it quite odd that Keima hasn't played any of the games that involve maintaining a relationship. Japan certainly has a few.

Tenzen12 Red Lagoon Since: Jul, 2011
Red Lagoon
#8922: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:31:47 PM

Unlike most of teenagers, Keima is aware of relationship value and had to work hard to reach it. That is best guarantee that even if there will be trouble around way, he will not give up as many of his peers so easily.

DOmen Since: Jul, 2010
#8923: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:33:25 PM

Oh, I'm sure he won't give up. It's just fun to think he won't have the answer for any problem that might arise readily available. Would've been interesting to see. sad

edited 18th Apr '14 1:33:35 PM by DOmen

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#8924: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:33:37 PM

He has learned everything from yokkyun.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#8925: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:34:02 PM

Even if he has played games like that, it doesn't mean anything in them will be applicable. And if they were, it would kind of defeat the point of why he likes Chihiro in the first place.


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