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RukiMotomiya The Ghost of Years Past from The Internet Abyss Since: Aug, 2009
The Ghost of Years Past
#1576: Apr 30th 2010 at 1:44:05 PM

So, it seems for the next character we have

1 vote for Iku 2 for Murasa 2 for Hina

Anybody want to break the tie so I know if I should make the Murasa profile or not?

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#1578: Apr 30th 2010 at 1:56:35 PM

I was just about to start making the Hina profile, but if you want to go for Murasa now, more time for me to do other things~

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#1579: Apr 30th 2010 at 2:00:20 PM

I guess since I'm the one who brought up Captain Murasa "Good friends with your mother" Minamatsu in the other thread, I should vote for her. And attempt some kind of Sean Connery joke.

edited 30th Apr '10 3:15:37 PM by Bocaj

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RukiMotomiya The Ghost of Years Past from The Internet Abyss Since: Aug, 2009
The Ghost of Years Past
#1580: Apr 30th 2010 at 2:12:26 PM

Alright, since Murasa has three votes, I guess it's Murasa.

I'll get to that in about 10-30 minutes and try to finish it in a timely manner.

RukiMotomiya The Ghost of Years Past from The Internet Abyss Since: Aug, 2009
The Ghost of Years Past
#1581: Apr 30th 2010 at 4:17:39 PM

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Captain Minamitsu Murasa

Appearance/voice: Mintea?

Theme:\\ Interdimensional Voyage of a Ghostly Passenger Ship, Captain Murasa. Yes, Murasa has a theme named after her.

Traits:

  • Memetic Badass Four Words: CAPTAIN MINAMITSU MOTHERFUCKING MURASA
  • For some reason, always referred to as Murasa, despite it being her last name.
  • Her name is similar to that of Minamoto no Yorimasa, who supposedly slew a Nue who was disturbing the Emperor in 1153
  • Murasa and Nue seem to have possibly known each other before UFO, too...
  • Murasa's power is the "Power to cause shipwrecks", which means Murasa could singlehandedly bring fandoms to their knees.
  • She technically started UFO. Murasa found Shou, who told them how to unseal Byakuren. Nue complicated matters, though, and hence UFO started.
  • So just like Reisen, she was a lower stage boss who set off the plot. Both are two bosses away from the Final Boss, as well(Reisen is technically one away from Eirin, but Kaguya is the true final boss anyway).
  • Usually That One Boss, along with Shou.
  • On occassion, Jerkass => Jerk with a Heart of Gold

Relationships/Shipping:

  • Byakuren(Murasa is a loyal disciple of Byakuren's. When Murasa first became a youkai, Byakuren was also the one who let her free and kept her from simply captizing various ships for fun. Murasa also started the search to unseal Byakuren. She's a very loyal follower, it seems. Popular ship option.)
  • Shou Toramaru(Fellow disciple of Byakuren. When Murasa first set out to free Byakuren, it was Shou she seeked.)
  • Ichirin(Fellow follower of Byakuren. According to Danbooru, seems to also be a popular ship with Murasa.)
  • Nazrin(Shou's underling. Technically not a follower of Byakuren, but for all intents and purposes might as well be.)
  • Nue Houjouu(Unknown affilation. Nue seems to suggest she used to know Murasa in the past during her Extra Stage conversation. In addition, the only non-final level Nue appears as a mid-boss in is Murasa's. Names have an affiliation as well potentially. Popular ship option.)

Write-up:\\ The Stage four boss of Undefined Fantastic Object. Originally a human girl who drowned a long time ago, her lingering sentiment and attachment to the world caused her to return to the world as a youkai. She spent her idle time capsizing ships, apparantly for boredom or to gain power/credit/something as a youkai, until she heard of Byakuren preparing to enter her waters. She had hoped to sink Byakuren and her ship to attract a human, who she could defeat to be free from the sea(" "If I succeed," she thought, "maybe I can even attack a human that could free me from this cursed ocean." " - Murasa's offical profile).

To her surprise, however, Byakuren came completely defenseless and vulnearable. There were only a few humans on the ship with her, and it put up no resistance beyond that of a normal human vessel. At first, she was dissapointed, as there was little point in defeating a normal human vessel in such a manner("Before she knew it, the ship was sunk, and all of the people on it were flung into the sea. This discouraged her. There was no pride to be taken in defeating someone so powerless." - Murasa's offical profile)

However, Byakuren surprised Murasa. Although Byakuren's ship had sunk, she appeared floating above the ocean, and created a ship with her own powers. This ship was a ship based upon the ship Murasa herself once captained(" "She's riding a shining boat—and it's not the one I just capsized. In fact, that's the ship that I rode in so long ago." " - Murasa's offical profile). This was a ship only Murasa could captain. In a sense, it was a spiritual attack on Murasa's being, far more dangerous to a youkai than physical attacks("A youkai like her was much more afraid of spiritual attacks than swords or arrows." - Murasa's offical profile).

This would become the Palanquin Ship. The same ship Murasa would be sealed in and the same ship which would be used to begin the quest to unseal the so-called youkai savior, Byakuren Hijiri.

Fanon-wise, Murasa is still a very fertile character, and her characterization has yet to settle solidly. We've seen her as a complete dick, a somewhat brash yet well-meaning captain and of course a badass.

She's also gotten some really beautiful art.

Perhaps because she's a captain and certainly because of her That One Boss nature, Murasa has become somewhat of a badass. Thus, she's also known as CAPTAIN MINAMITSU MOTHERFUCKING MURASA, who really is not to be fucked with. Or sometimes Popeye's Daughter.

Common ships with Murasa include Byakuren, her savior, Ichirin, that one girl who nobody really knows that just kind of hangs with the family at parties, and Nue, who she has an unknown affiliation with which allows multiple options. Ships with other UFO characters are more uncommon, but not unheard of, and Murasa shipping outside of the UFO cast is rare.

Similar characters:

  • Chiyuri(Appearance only, and even then only slightly.)

Misc:

  • Murasa is a Ship Ghost, or Funayurei. Funayurei are supposed to be spirits of people who have drowned at sea, and Murasa was a drowning victim.
  • The weird, wooden cup thing Murasa holds is a Hishaku.
  • The ship Murasa pilots is the Palanquin Ship, which is based on the first volume of the Shigi san Engi Emaki. You can read a little more about it here.
  • Appropriately, it's a prime example of a Heian Scroll(According to Wikipedia, at least) painting. Does this remind you of a certain something else Heian?
  • Minamitsu is very rarely referred to by her first name, unlike most characters in the series.
  • CAPTAIN MINAMITSU MOTHERFUCKING MURASA is currently my MSN nickname, FYI.
  • A distinctive Window's hint bubble popping noise is on her song at 2:08(2:11 on the video I linked. There also appears to be another one at 4:31.). ZUN's twitter has stated that it probably got in the recording by accident. Yes, ZUN has a twitter, but it's in Japanese.
  • Murasa is sometimes depicted as eating or enjoying curry. This is because curry was supposedly first eaten and introduced into Japan by the navy. Even in the modern day, the Japanese Navy eat curry every Friday so they always remember the day of the week, even at sea. Appropriate, given Murasa is a captain.
  • Her art could mean she has pants or a skirt. It's not really clear on the matter.
  • Murasa might not be her name. Her profile says that the humans began to call her Murasa when she came back as a youkai, based off of her human name. In addition, ZUN's comments on Murasa's theme Captain Murasa says "Everyone calls her Murasa, but murasa is the name of a youkai, so they're not really calling her by name - surprise!".

Ruki's Notes: A lot of people didn't seem to know a lot about Murasa, or said so at least, so I tried to include a good bit on her backstory and history.

I didn't have a lot of good work to show for Murasa, doujin-wise, so I hope a Littleshrimp comic and a few various artpieces will work.

I had to work with the coding I had for Reisen, so I might need to edit this once or twice to make sure everything works.

EDIT: Apparantly a certain Wikipedia link breaks the Misc. section. But I fixed it. If you want the Wikipedia article on Funayurei, you'll have to look it up yourself.

edited 30th Apr '10 4:21:52 PM by Ruki Motomiya

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#1582: Apr 30th 2010 at 4:25:36 PM

Satori also has a theme named after her, although maybe that doesn't count because her name is also her species.

Edit: Also, Komachi, but that theme came before she was introduced, So Yeah.

edited 30th Apr '10 4:26:10 PM by Clarste

RukiMotomiya The Ghost of Years Past from The Internet Abyss Since: Aug, 2009
The Ghost of Years Past
#1583: Apr 30th 2010 at 4:26:54 PM

But Satori and Murasa are the only ones with theme's named after them, aren't they?

EDIT: Well I say Komachi doesn't count because Komachi is too lazy to come up and count.

edited 30th Apr '10 4:27:32 PM by Ruki Motomiya

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#1585: Apr 30th 2010 at 5:00:34 PM

For the record, her given name is Minamitsu. Yes, her given name is longer than her family name.

So, she tends to be one of Those Two Guys, along with Ichirin, for the Myouren temple. Specifically, Taniguchi.

edited 30th Apr '10 5:15:05 PM by Hylarn

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#1586: Apr 30th 2010 at 5:04:50 PM

What do you guys think her role among the UFO characters is, personality-wise. She apparently took the initiative to free Byakuren as soon as she was able and pulled off a minor xanatos gambit by setting sail for Makai while fighting the player character for the UFO chunks. Either she wins and takes the saucer bits to free Byakuren or she loses and the player character is stuck in Makai unless she frees Byakuren to power a trip back to Gensokyo.

edited 30th Apr '10 5:07:18 PM by Bocaj

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RukiMotomiya The Ghost of Years Past from The Internet Abyss Since: Aug, 2009
The Ghost of Years Past
#1587: Apr 30th 2010 at 5:13:45 PM

Murasa is definately the most proactive, aside from Byakuren herself.

She's not tied down to duty and is a free spirit, unlike Shou who is constantly shackled by duty(First to Bishamonten, then Byakuren) which can cloud his judgment and thought, Nazrin who is Shou's underling, and Ichirin who I still cannot get a good read on.

I like to think she's the closest to Byakuren and astrives to be somewhat like her, except with more anchor danmaku and kickass. She might even be directly learning under Byakuren.

Overall, along with Byakuren, Murasa's main focus is to provide ideas and goals to the group. Shou and Nazrin, the somewhat more critical and perceptive of the two, usually hammer the goal into a more concreate plan. Ichirin can function as whatever is needed, she probably falls somewhere in-between. Murasa's also probably pretty energetic, or so I like to think, and contrasts this to Shou's more no-nonsense style and Byakuren's...well...Byakurenness.

EDIT: Also, Bocaj, that Murasa avatar you have with the scar on her face is my background. Also, do you mind if you send me over Avatar 30 of yours?

edited 30th Apr '10 5:17:16 PM by Ruki Motomiya

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#1588: Apr 30th 2010 at 5:25:21 PM

I like to think she's the closest to Byakuren and astrives to be somewhat like her, except with more anchor danmaku and kickass. She might even be directly learning under Byakuren.

Unlikely. Murasa wanted to free Byakuren as soon as she could. Shou, on the other hand, kept doing Byakuren's work when she was gone and only helped free Byakuren after it was suggested to her. In that sense, Shou is the one actively trying to be like Byakuren, while Murasa is only satisfied with Byakuren herself existing.

Edit: There's a huge difference between admiration and imitation. They can overlap, but they often don't. Many people are satisfied knowing that a great person exists, yet have no desire to be a great person themselves.

edited 30th Apr '10 5:28:21 PM by Clarste

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#1589: Apr 30th 2010 at 5:27:00 PM

Pictures:

She really doesn't get much interesting art. I had to go through all the pages to get that much.

edited 30th Apr '10 5:27:21 PM by Hylarn

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#1590: Apr 30th 2010 at 5:33:10 PM

Actually, I think Shou was doing work as Bishamonten disciple rather than carrying along in the vein of Byakuren. It mentions that she regretted not being able to do anything but that she was afraid/too practical to reveal herself a youkai.

Do we ever learn how Murasa and Ichirin get sealed underground? I assume Nazrin was still with Shou.

Addendum: @Ruki, you wanted the one with the wooden sprinkler/ladle thing, right? Number 30? Can I get the knifegun one from you?

edited 30th Apr '10 5:33:57 PM by Bocaj

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#1591: Apr 30th 2010 at 5:38:27 PM

Byakuren is also a disciple of Bishamonten. Both her and Shou are monks. While Shou probably wasn't as proactive as she could've been, and regrets this, she was going around doing monk things, converting people, etc. Murasa seems to have no desire whatsoever to be like Byakuren and doesn't do anything towards that end. She just wants Byakuren to be free so she can do her thing.

If we're talking about people being on the same path as Byakuren, Shou is much closer.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#1592: Apr 30th 2010 at 6:21:15 PM

The different reactions might be due to how each character was helped by Byakuren.

Shou was suggested by Byakuren as a disciple for Bishamonten to help attract youkai to her temple. She apparently did her job excellently despite Bishamonten sending Nazrin as a chaperone. Shou would have seen Byakuren's work at the temple more than any other side of her.

Murasa was sinking ships when Byakuren came across her. She let Murasa sink the ship that brought her there (kinda dick there Byakuren) and then raised the Holy Palanquin from the depths. She made Murasa the captain allowing her to leave the ocean (which I think was one of her long-term goals). Byakuren gave Murasa a new purpose in post-life. Since she shipped Byakuren hither and tither, her primary exposure to Byakuren's work would have been the more hands-on "youkai hunting."

Because of this, Murasa may have a more cult-of-personality view of Byakuren's work. Believing that Byakuren's accomplishments were due to the force of her charisma and strength of her personality.

Murasa may have had a point. A few hundred years after Byakuren was sealed the temple was reduced to "great disarray" and Shou thought nothing of taking some time off to hang around Makai.

To be fair to both, Shou needed the Holy Palanquin and the bits of the Soaring Vault and Murasa needed Shou's know-how. And never the twain shall meet while Murasa and the Vault were sealed underground.

Seriously, the dynamic between the Myouren temple group is potentially fascinating. The group is clearly reliant on Byakuren to be the core, the drawing force, of the group. Taken together they may have a more professional relationship with each other than the more familiar, family-esque relationship of the Scarlet Devil Mansion, Moriya Shrine, or the Yakumos.

I just remembered this doujin: More focused on Byakuren, Murasa shows up. Darker and grittier take on the UFO cast. Stripe Pattern's Love and Peace.

edited 30th Apr '10 6:24:23 PM by Bocaj

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This. Cannot. Continue.
#1593: Apr 30th 2010 at 6:29:09 PM

Music! Captain Murasa orchestrated, both her themes, and the rocking Starmine.

I was expecting someone whose name is often rendered in all-caps to be a bit of a Toblerone, but...

Reimu: There you are. A youkai of ill omen.
Murasa: I-ill omen?
Reimu: Tell me what this ship really is!
Murasa: Oh my, not so loud ... Are you sure you want to come onboard?

And then she begs the heroine's pardon for being late to introduce herself, and in Sanae's case apologizes for tricking her into sticking around and fighting. Now I imagine Murasa sounds more... well, I can almost hear her with a British accent. Not hot-blooded, but a polite, proud and proper officer.

To me it sounds like Murasa's motivation is both personal and philosophical. She says that once they revive Byakuren, "everyone will be able to forget their troubles. We'll make a paradise where no-one can brush us aside ... We'll make a liberating future where we can use our powers freely... That paradise is this ship's destination. That's the ideal Hijiri has sought... a peaceful, beautiful youkai world." If Murasa's not a believer, she knows how one talks (though I'm not sure that's quite what Byakuren was working towards).

On the other hand, it's a matter of honor, too. "This time, I'll be the one to save Byakuren. Yes, riding the ship that Byakuren created." Sounds like one of them life debt thingies. Only with a ship ghost instead of a wookie.

I kinda wonder at her title. Murasa's first naval experience was drowning, then she spent her early afterlife sinking boats. Not the best of qualifications, though I guess you could say that if you know how to make a ship sink, you just work backwards to be a captain. Heh, maybe that's why her boat flies, to keep it as far away from water as possible.

And yeah, that whole "letting the ship and crew sink while meeting Murasa" event is one of those things that disqualifies Byakuren from being Incorruptible Pure Pureness in my book.

Current earworm: "The White Witch"
RukiMotomiya The Ghost of Years Past from The Internet Abyss Since: Aug, 2009
The Ghost of Years Past
#1594: Apr 30th 2010 at 6:39:40 PM

Hmmm...

Well, I guess that makes sense, but maybe it's just because I've never really seen Shou as a very Byakuren-like figure? I dunno, Murasa just seems to be more like the one to be more of a learner, albeit one with Murasa's more energetic, perhaps less understanding attitude, which might make her more ineffective.

Also, even though Byakuren is a buddhist monk, and thus follows Bishamonten in much the same vein, the level of discipleship is different. Shou directly worked, trained and learned under Bishamonten, while Byakuren to our knowledge did not("Bishamonten was too busy to hang around the temple much" - Shou's Profile seems to agree with this assessment). Byakuren and Bishamonten, at that time, also seemed to have differed in some ways of worldly view. Bishamonten maintained a healthy distrust of most youkai, although to a much lesser extent than the presumable people of the era, while Byakuren was a much more active force for "Youkai freedom"(If youkai even need to be freed and such, but bluh bluh not the point here).

Shou's profile, to me at least, seems to even indicate a certain point where she blended the Bishamonten side of learning with the Byakuren time of learning.

"Still, she was perhaps too excellent. When Byakuren was sealed away, she was completely focused on carrying out her duties as Bishamonten. She kept the fact that she was a youkai a secret from humans. She had her regrets about this, but it would have been self-destructive to reveal her true identity. "

"She didn't want to have any more regrets. She wouldn't run away. She told Murasa and the others how to lift the seal. She was, after all, a youkai. She wanted to put all her power into bringing Byakuren back. "

At first, it seems, Shou seems to be a little uncomfortable with what he is. She hides it for the general greater good, working under Bishamonten in an attempt to earn favor both for herself and all youkai in addition to wishing to learn more of this way of thinking, and becomes very dutiful to Bishamonten. Bishamonten's distrust for her lessens and Nazrin becomes less of a spy person, and time goes on. Byakuren is sealed after Shou begins to drift away from her and Bishamonten eventully does whatever he does, I presume he's dead.

At this time, Shou has gone through two phases. In the first, he is an "Honest and straightforward" youkai who lives in the mountains around Byakuren's temple. At this time, she probably picks up more things from Byakuren. This is her initial "Byakuren" phase.

After being chosen to be Bishamonten's disciple, she learns slowly from him. She begins to understand more of the world filtered through his view, including any possible contradictions with what Byakuren said or what Shou percieved as Byakuren's meanings. In this time, she becomes the faithful assistant of Bishamonten. Her world view changes. And in this new world, where fear of youkai is rampant and she does not feel Bishamonten should be saddled with the burden of a youkai, she hides herself as a youkai. In a sense, this goes against what I would imagine Byakuren intended to show: Human and Youkai(Or I guess in this case, God and Youkai?) working together, as one, without overly heavy confliction. In this time, Shou falls into the "Bishamonten" world teachings.

Now, however, as the events of UFO draw near, Shou might be experiencing doubt or uneasiness. Byakuren, who had done so much for the community of youkai, has been sealed away by humans. Bishamonten is gone. Shou might begin to understand deeper meanings behind Byakuren's teachings and purpose behind sending Shou, the youkai so trusted by the others, to work under Bishamonten. She begins to look deeper into what Bishamonten taught her, try to extrapolate and condense herself into someone who can decide where she stands. When Murasa arrives, asking how to free Byakuren, she probably finds Shou in some form of deep thought. At this point, however, Shou has made up her mind. While she will help Byakuren, of course, and wishes to unseal her, she is also more cautious than Byakuren. She's less trusting, most likely, and regards things with a more neutral point of view, rather than Byakuren's much more pro-youkai or Bishamonten's potentially more pro-human views. Of course, Shou wants youkai liberation too, but she doesn't want to push it too far.

In this sense, Shou is a fusion of the Bishamonten and the Byakuren variations of how to see the world, human and youkai. Shou has probably accumulated enough knowledge and teachings that she could open her own temple, but has no desire nor need too.

On an unrelated note, looking at it Shou doesn't appear to have ever been sealed. It mentions she was still part of Bishamonten's group when Byakuren, and presumably many of the youkai under Byakuren, were sealed in Makai. It mentions that Byakuren's friends underground returned and that they went to Shou. Therefor, I would assume Shou was never sealed and perhaps entered Gensokyo after Bishamonten's passing. Nazrin most likely followed Shou. Ichirin, I got nothin' on her sealing.

Murasa, on the other hand, is different.

As a human turned ship ghost, I like to think she has a very human-like view amongst youkai, which gives her a different perspective on matters. When she first became a youkai, she was almost certainly displeased, apparantly bound to the ocean and feared by the humanity she was once part of. How much of her life she remembers is unknown, of course, but I would imagine some exists. During this time, she lashed out at everything in the world around her, capsizing ships.

This was until Byakuren came about. Although she sunk Byakuren's ship with the intention to attract one who could free her, Byakuren freed her with her own power. Unlike the other humans who had met Murasa in this time, Byakuren had no fear of her just because she was a youkai. And thus, the Palanquin Ship was made, and Murasa was freed from her curse of being bound to the sea. During this time, she most likely served under Byakuren. After all, she had nowhere else to go and Byakuren HAD just freed her.

During this time, it would be inevitable that Byakuren's dogma would reach Murasa. At first, I imagine Murasa wrote it off as a fantastical dream, as humanity had not shown itself to be warm to youkai and youkai had made few efforts to be any more helpful. However, Byakuren served as an odd sort of hope. On the youkai side, she made substanial efforts to attempt to approve their lives and to bring more harmony to humanity and youkai. She sent Shou out to meet Bishamonten and such as well. At this point, Murasa has seen both from the human and the youkai side of things.

She, along with Byakuren, are sealed in various parts of Makai. Murasa is sealed within her ship, which is luckily freed during Utsuho's little spree in SA. Given the long years Murasa would have to ponder anything and have to do things to avoid going mad from being sealed, I imagine that she would examine herself. The world around her. Byakuren. All sorts of these forms of things. In the end, the conclusion she reached would be that both sides have deficiets. Humanity was racist and ignorant to the youkai, and this was wrong. However, the youkai failed to attempt to improve their situation and accepted it. This, too, was wrong.

When she is freed, she sets off to unseal the one side that significantly attempted to bring both sides together. The one who, too, saved her once before. Byakuren.

UFO, of course, happens around here.

After this, I imagine Murasa tries to learn under Byakuren. Although she is more free-spirited, perhaps with a trickster or arrogant streak to her, she genuinely wishes for "peace" between humanity and youkai. Because of this, I like to imagine her then going on to study more under Bishamonten. To learn her teachings and ways, and how to better communicate with both humans and youkai to strive for this goal. She probably balances this out with taking breaks doing wild stunts on the Palanquin Ship.

In short...

As of now, after UFO ended, Shou is closer to Byakuren. Shou mixes the teachings of Bishamonten and Byakuren, two different people of the same religion(One of which is a God IIRC), to form her own unique perspective on the world. Shou cannot learn much more from Byakuren, and soon they both will probably be learning or debating amongst each other. However, Shou's view means she is naturally one or two steps removed from Byakuren.

Murasa, on the other hand, is one directly studying under Byakuren. Although as of now she may not be as close to Byakuren as Shou, she will eventully begin to learn more and mix it with her views. Because her views on the world and life, to me, seem to corrospond to Byakuren more than Shou's, I view Murasa as "closer" to Byakuren's vision, discipleship, etc. than Shou.

Of course, this is just one interpertation, and a slightly more unnatural one in comparison to Shou being the closer one. And odds are I've gotten at least three facts wrong here. So Yeah.

@ Bocaj: Yes, number 30, with the ladle thing. How do I transfer avatars to you? Tell me how and I will.

P.S. I wrote this all in response to Clarste's post and Bocaj's before it. Two people ended up posting between this, but I wasn't going to throw out about an hour of work because of new posts. I hope this is acceptable.

P.S.S. I keep messing up and saying he on Shou. why do i keep doing that

edited 30th Apr '10 6:50:15 PM by Ruki Motomiya

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#1595: Apr 30th 2010 at 7:01:04 PM

That was... really long. Apologies if I missed some of it. Sounds like you realize that your interpretation is slightly unsupported though. I see Murasa as a follower with no interest whatsoever in learning from Byakuren, she simply admires her. You can see it your way though.

Something to note about the relationships between Byakuren's followers is that pretty much all of them confuse the player for one of them at some point. Which says to me that they don't all know each other, or even know the important powerful ones capable of beat them at danmaku. These really are a bunch of strangers working together for a common good. Quite different from the usual Touhou cast. I suppose that says something about Byakuren's charisma though.

Murasa's certainly the mastermind though. All of this is being done without Byakuren's knowledge, so unlike most final bosses she's not even really behind the incident. It's just a bunch of strangers working together.

RukiMotomiya The Ghost of Years Past from The Internet Abyss Since: Aug, 2009
The Ghost of Years Past
#1596: Apr 30th 2010 at 7:08:26 PM

Yeah, I don't really think of how much any of my stuff is supported. XD I just kinda say it and then see how people react, and then explain why I said any of that afterwards.

Sorry about such a huge wall of text, but I guess I felt like really going all-out today.

And yeah, odds are they don't know each other much. Murasa and Shou probably knew each other by name and maybe some vague other things alone. Nazrin might have been totally unknown, except by Shou obviously, and Ichirin just seems kind of there. She doesn't have a profile explaining her origin like Murasa or Shou, so it's hard to know any affiliation with her.

Murasa was definately the mastermind, as you said, though.

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Funny but not helpful
#1597: Apr 30th 2010 at 7:21:37 PM

Unsupported suppositions are practically the building blocks of an alternate character interpretation compendium. I for one enjoyed the wall o' text.

As for Ichirin? You fight her when you're trying to get into the Palanquin and complains about fairies and what not stealing stuff from the ship. I guess on the voyage to Makai her role was to guard the outside of the ship. Whether she was one of Byakuren's followers sealed with Murasa or whether she joined the party somewhere along the line isn't made clear.

She wasn't ordered by someone to stand guard, she's doing it of her own accord. It's unknown just what she's after.

Or not.

Since Ichirin is a member of Murasa's group of youkai, she also misses Byakuren. She is devoted to Byakuren, who was even kind to her nyuudou companion.

Ichirin, you're a mystery. You need more fanon to fill you out.

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#1598: Apr 30th 2010 at 7:38:11 PM

Ichirin has an awesome hat-equivalent though.

Zudak Since: Dec, 1969
#1599: Apr 30th 2010 at 7:40:37 PM

Ichirin definitely needs more love.

I think I'll go see if there's any good art of her.

StarkMaximum I missed this avatar. from someplace funny i dunno Since: Jan, 2001
I missed this avatar.
#1600: Apr 30th 2010 at 8:04:36 PM

Murasa's power is the "Power to cause shipwrecks", which means Murasa could singlehandedly bring fandoms to their knees.

that was awful

WHO IS THIS LOSER

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