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JAF1970 Jonah Falcon from New York Since: Jan, 2001
Jonah Falcon
#801: Jun 16th 2011 at 9:18:18 AM

And again, I find it disturbing that they those to remove the Action Girl who would have balanced the Testosterone Poisoning in the game. That... just makes me question the motives of those Texans out there.

Jonah Falcon
Aminatep Vulpes Zerda from Glorious Mother Russia Since: Oct, 2009
Vulpes Zerda
#802: Jun 16th 2011 at 9:22:01 AM

[raises hand]

What if Duke didn't become more offensive or stupid in any way possible? We just grew up.

> Eurogamer blacklisted

I am okay with this.

Eff eurogamer.

edited 16th Jun '11 9:24:01 AM by Aminatep

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ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
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#803: Jun 16th 2011 at 9:26:06 AM

[up] I dunno. Duke 3D wasn't any more misogynistic than any other piece of media where women only exist to be a Shallow Love Interest and reward for the hero. This time the game was just self-aware about it. I do remember being disturbed by the captured babes in the alien biomass though.

Forever just looks disgusting.

[up][up][up] A nice summation.

edited 16th Jun '11 9:30:05 AM by ShirowShirow

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LOEADITOOx .... from -???- Since: Feb, 2011
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#804: Jun 16th 2011 at 9:26:33 AM

So, they went aggro because Duke is offensive?

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Pyroninja42 Forum Villain from the War Room Since: Jan, 2011
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#805: Jun 16th 2011 at 10:49:44 AM

There's south park offensive, which is funny, and then there's Duke Nukem Forever offensive, which is offensive, humorless, and poorly-written.

"Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person that doesn't get it."
LOEADITOOx .... from -???- Since: Feb, 2011
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#806: Jun 16th 2011 at 10:52:15 AM

I dont see the difference , they are all the same to me (Duke Nuke 3D humor, and Forever Humor)

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Aminatep Vulpes Zerda from Glorious Mother Russia Since: Oct, 2009
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#807: Jun 16th 2011 at 10:52:38 AM

> offensive, humorless, and poorly-written.

what's the difference?

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Signed Always Right Since: Dec, 2009
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#808: Jun 16th 2011 at 1:11:33 PM

edit: double ninja'd sad

edited 16th Jun '11 1:11:43 PM by Signed

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Nyarly Das kann doch nicht sein! from Saksa Since: Feb, 2012
Das kann doch nicht sein!
#809: Jun 16th 2011 at 1:48:45 PM

There's south park offensive, which is funny, and then there's Duke Nukem Forever offensive, which is offensive, humorless, and poorly-written.
I see absolutely no difference in these "types of offensive humor". Generally, that kind of humor aims solely to offend not to be funny anyway.

What if Duke didn't become more offensive or stupid in any way possible? We just grew up.
I have no doubts about it. Generally, there is a heavy case of Nostalgia Filter by Forever's detractors. Especially when they criticize the hypocrisy of Duke mocking Halo. I mean, what is worse? Mocking a game that has an influence on Forever? Or mocking the game which 3D owes it's existence to?

And really, the reason why Forever seems to be more misogynistic is that it has real NPC interaction and cutscenes (well, or whatever one should call it). If 3D had that too it would be just as bad.

Also, never seemed to mind to blast random strippers to pieces (of money). At least, he never said anything.

As much as I like it, Duke Nukem 3D really gets overestimated a lot. So is it's kind of humor.

People aren't as awful as the internet makes them out to be.
RobbieRotten Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#810: Jun 16th 2011 at 3:33:34 PM

I don't mind it offensive really. Maybe becuase nothing phases me at all. Or maybe becuase it's Duke Nukem, or that it's just a video game.

RocketDude Since: May, 2009
#811: Jun 16th 2011 at 3:38:50 PM

^^Yeah, 3D had a nice degree of interaction with the world, but it had its limits, and one of them was interaction with NPCs, which were more like objects placed in Build.

HellmanSabian Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
#812: Jun 17th 2011 at 5:06:04 AM

Well I am put off by the Dukester now after the shody game quality even after all this time. I do hope the franchise won't die though.

Usht Lv. 3 Genasi Wizard from an arbitrary view point. Since: Feb, 2011
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#813: Jun 17th 2011 at 5:33:27 AM

And so, in an attempt to make people happy, a spin off series called Duchess Gun'Em was created and would focus on a misanthropic woman who really cares about men but still treats them like crap.

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.
ActuallyComma I am making sense! from a mysterious place Since: Feb, 2011
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#814: Jun 17th 2011 at 5:38:24 AM

The feminist female badass scifi hero is enough of a cliche to warrant parody by now.

Except [condescending response follows]. Because [sarcasm here]. You do understand [snark], right? POTHOLE TO SARCASM MODE
Usht Lv. 3 Genasi Wizard from an arbitrary view point. Since: Feb, 2011
Lv. 3 Genasi Wizard
#815: Jun 17th 2011 at 5:40:17 AM

The hyper competent, no laughs, getting shit done, waiting for a moment to soften up with a loved one, sci-fi action girl? Yeah, pretty much. Except cross off the fourth one, no one cares about romance.

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.
ActuallyComma I am making sense! from a mysterious place Since: Feb, 2011
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#816: Jun 17th 2011 at 5:42:01 AM

Bonus points for lesbian subtext...

Except [condescending response follows]. Because [sarcasm here]. You do understand [snark], right? POTHOLE TO SARCASM MODE
Nyarly Das kann doch nicht sein! from Saksa Since: Feb, 2012
Das kann doch nicht sein!
#817: Jun 17th 2011 at 5:42:58 AM

I'd rather have a badass female sci-fi hero, whose sex doesn't actually matter. Reminds that I should start Mass Effect 2 again.

Of course, that wouldn't warrant a Distaff Counterpart of Duke Nukem, what brings me to the question why anybody would want that. Except to have something more to complain about. Because really, that's the sole reason for Forever's existence, even if it had been one of the best games ever. DN lost any relevance long ago.

People aren't as awful as the internet makes them out to be.
Usht Lv. 3 Genasi Wizard from an arbitrary view point. Since: Feb, 2011
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#818: Jun 17th 2011 at 6:19:34 AM

You might say his absurd level of irrelevance has once more made him relevant by being incredibly obnoxious.

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.
Pyroninja42 Forum Villain from the War Room Since: Jan, 2011
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#819: Jun 17th 2011 at 7:00:36 AM

[up]"irrelevance?" Sorry, close but no cigar. I believe you mean "irreverence." And not irregardless. That just makes you an idiot.

"Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person that doesn't get it."
Usht Lv. 3 Genasi Wizard from an arbitrary view point. Since: Feb, 2011
Lv. 3 Genasi Wizard
#820: Jun 17th 2011 at 7:05:26 AM

Actually both. He's both obnoxious and no longer parodying anything recent, so he's irrelevant and irreverent.

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.
ActuallyComma I am making sense! from a mysterious place Since: Feb, 2011
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#821: Jun 17th 2011 at 7:06:17 AM

[up][up]That was an irrelevant post irregardless

edited 17th Jun '11 7:06:26 AM by ActuallyComma

Except [condescending response follows]. Because [sarcasm here]. You do understand [snark], right? POTHOLE TO SARCASM MODE
Schitzo HIGH IMPACT SEXUAL VIOLENCE from Akumajou Dracula Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: LA Woman, you're my woman
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#822: Jun 17th 2011 at 7:57:35 AM

i can see what you meant by "South Park Offensive vs. Forever Offensive."

Which is really what I meant between stylistically offensive and actually offensive.

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Tyyrlym Jerk from Normandy SR-2 Since: Mar, 2011
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#824: Jun 17th 2011 at 8:04:51 AM

It's been going since 1997 so no, missed it by a year or so.

edited 17th Jun '11 8:06:03 AM by Tyyrlym

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HerrKman Fantastic! from New New York Since: Jun, 2010
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#825: Jun 17th 2011 at 9:02:23 AM

Check out Jim Sterling's deconstruction on Duke himself.

I played DNF and while the misogynistic and other offensive material was the last straw, I was going to cease playing soon even before I reached the "Fucked" scene due to two other reasons: The game has awful, extremely dated gameplay, and I had a realization very much akin to what Jim is describing in his article. Duke isn't funny nor is he ironic or a parody. I actually agree with almost all of what Jim says, something I rarely find myself doing.

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