Im sorry, but your not likely catching me seeing a live-action/CG film. I'm so sick of those. The only thing that would make me see that is if the film was either fully 2D animated or live-action/hand-drawn animation. I just blame Alvin and shitmunks for making that craze happen. Of people seeing characters so real that they came out of an Xbox 360 video game to heading towards the Uncanny Valley.
What also irks me is that dumb parents took their kids to see 9(that animated feature that came out in 2009). The Animation Age Ghetto is on them when I heard them yell "THIS shouldn't be all violent! It should be singing and dancing!". Also, the people who saw that shitty alvin sequel over a 2D hand-drawn animated film are morons and dont care about good animation.
Reminds me of the soccer moms that complained about Rango having smoking but not complaining about Hop having a shit-eating scene.
More Buscemi at http://forum.reelsociety.com/I find it rather odd how parents would complain over smoking in a cartoon but however they let a jellybean thing Slide. Did they forget that The Great Mouse Detective have smoking as well as some aspects of the past cartoons?
edited 29th Apr '11 6:28:34 PM by Playedforkeeps
^Then there are characters like Oliver And Company's Sykes, who is always depicted with a cigar in his mouth and almost always blows it in someone's (or some animal's) face.
But anyways, I'd love more MATURE (not exactly R-rated) animated films to hit theaters. Indeed, the fact that most people automatically equate "R-rated" with "a South Park: BLU level of offense" has been brought up several times. Give me something like, say, Paprika over that any day. The R rating is due mainly to a brief dream sequence featuring a metaphorical rape, but even without this scene, it takes a pretty damn mature mind to analyze this, or, for that matter, any other film by the late Satoshi Kon. Millennium Actress and Tokyo Godfathers, rated PG and PG-13, respectively, would bore the hell out of any child but be appreciated by a mature audience, even though they're not that offensive. Indeed, it doesn't take offensive content to make a mature animated film. Even Westerners can do it; look at The Illusionist or the aforementioned Rango. The question that one should have isn't over the smoking in a so called "kid's animated film". The question is, WHY WAS THIS FILM MARKETED TO KIDS? The average 6-year-old Nickelodeon viewer would be bored out of his skull!
edited 1st May '11 8:20:30 PM by troperwithoutaname
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When I saw it in a theatre filled with kids, most of them enjoyed it.
Also, I could see some kids liking Tokyo Godfathers. It is a remake of a John Wayne film, after all.
edited 1st May '11 8:41:58 PM by Buscemi
More Buscemi at http://forum.reelsociety.com/Concept:An R-rated animated musical. Not a Dead Baby Comedy a la South Park BLU, but more just a work that thoroughly combines the Disney Animated Canon tropes with action movie tropes. It'd be fun to watch, at least.
edited 1st May '11 9:26:38 PM by PDown
At first I didn't realize I needed all this stuff...![]()
I would pay to see that!(if its in hand-drawn animation of course). Also, we still got The goon
to look forward to. The people on youtube seem to be enjoying this.
Yeah, I agree with "mature" not just "R-rated". In fact, I wish they would overhaul the whole rating system to give less weight to language and sex and more to actual weighty topics. If you're 12, 13, 14, you know what sex is and you've heard most cuss words already, many times. It's not going to scar you to see a sex scene or hear "shit" in a movie. On the other hand, a movie which was, say, a painfully honest exploration of how Third World poverty is at least partly caused by First World consumerism, and the sheer scale of the problem and how difficult it is to solve, might warrant a higher rating even if there was not a single curse word or sex scene.
"War doesn't prove who's right, only who's left." "Every saint has a past, every sinner has a future."But people would disagree on what should be counted as inappropriate topics. Of course, they already do that now...
You know, this might come off wrong... but maybe the assorted Media Watchdog corporations actually have the best route set up: a bunch of private organizations that list assorted potential inappropriatenesses in movies, so that parents can make their own decisions.
At first I didn't realize I needed all this stuff...That's true. It was an impractical idea I had anyway; there's no way people would be okay with a movie with a ton of cussing getting only a PG rating or something for being immature. In fact, the way things are right now, it's almost like the more immature the flim is, the more mature the rating is. I know that's a vast oversimplification, but your average Pixar film is weightier and more mature than your average PG-13 action flick, although there are gems all across the rating board.
"War doesn't prove who's right, only who's left." "Every saint has a past, every sinner has a future."That's not what the rating system is for, though. When they say a film is for mature audiences, they're talking about whether someone's mature enough to handle it, not whether they're mature enough to appreciate it. If a youngster sees a dissertation on the effects of poverty, they might not enjoy or fully understand it, but the worst case scenario is that they're bored and the film leaves no impact on them. That's not what the ratings system is concerned with; they're concerned with things that might have a negative impact on children in the audience.
Yes, over-the-top violence, drug humor, rampant swearing, and pornographic sex scenes are not stuff we usually associate with "mature" people, but that's because mature people can see and enjoy all that stuff in the movies without letting it influence their Real Life. A kid, though, might hear a lot of casual swearing in a movie and figure it's alright for them to swear anytime they want, no matter the situation. Or they might watch a stoner comedy, laugh a lot at it, and conclude that smoking marijuana must be a great idea.
When the audience is immature, it becomes the filmmakers' responsibility to be mature for them.
I want a (western) 2D animated film as violent and surreal as Pans Labyrinth. You know that would make for some gorgeous artistry. Gorgeous, disturbing, oh god I wouldn't sleep for a week artistry.
edited 4th May '11 7:36:03 AM by Bur
For those who immediately think all adult animation as gore and boobfests, Bruce Timm and Lauren Montgomery and give some valid points:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTN1TOzev-s
Bruce Timm tells that he was used to the restriction set by television, but at the same he wished that Batman could say damn when it felt appropriate or characters could die when it would fit the story and Lauren Montgomery felt that if the characters have swords as weapons they should be able to cut. Neither of them talk about making the animated version of Bad Taste, Braindead, Day of the Dead or something like that.
But my point is this:If you can make Day Of The Dead in live action, why can't you make it in animation? We're just leaving the Animation Age Ghetto standing-we're utter hypocrites! If we think something is "inappropriate" for animation, then shouldn't it be inappropriate in live action as well? That's just censorship ideology, which I doubt so many people support.
At first I didn't realize I needed all this stuff...

Apparently Sony is attempting an adult-oriented animated feature with Dwayne Johnson.
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Reportedly, the script is very dark.
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