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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#12851: Jan 3rd 2023 at 7:58:19 PM

I doubt Parasite had any plans for it. It seems like he was grabbing the parts and building it for Intergang. As for why Intergang would want it...well, the organization does have ties to Apokolips.

Disgusted, but not surprised
WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#12852: Jan 4th 2023 at 9:03:17 AM

What would they do with a black hole exactly? It's not like you can pick it up and move it.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#12853: Jan 4th 2023 at 3:48:05 PM

Having a black hole generator otoh means you have a weapon of mass destruction.

It's the last thing you'd want a crime organization to have. Especially one that may very well be a front for Apokolips.

Edited by M84 on Jan 4th 2023 at 7:48:58 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#12854: Jan 4th 2023 at 3:59:23 PM

Wasn't the Large Boson Collider Parasite needed to make the black hole, the size of a building? And also one of a kind? Or at most, there would only be a handful on the planet. Like, enough that you could count them on one hand. And the thing is only good for making one black hole, because it would kind of be at ground zero. I feel that what he did would not be easy to replicate.

The more I think about it, the more I think he just wanted to destroy Geneva.

Edited by WillKeaton on Jan 4th 2023 at 6:14:12 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#12855: Jan 4th 2023 at 5:35:00 PM

Or rather, Intergang wanted Geneva destroyed for whatever reason.

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#12856: Jan 20th 2023 at 2:29:50 AM

Shiva and Cheshire's portrayals in this show is kind of the inverse of their comic selves. Comic Shiva is a Noble Demon at worst while Comic Cheshire is often written as a Hate Sink, especially under the pen of Gail Simone.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#12857: Jan 20th 2023 at 3:07:38 AM

Oh comic Shiva can be a pretty vile person too. Just not “nuke a country” level.

Disgusted, but not surprised
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12858: Jan 20th 2023 at 5:49:34 AM

Depends on the author. Was reading Denny O'Niel's Question and she's amoral at worst. She does some questionable things, but she's never portrayed as evil.

Edited by kkhohoho on Jan 20th 2023 at 7:50:00 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#12859: Jan 20th 2023 at 6:17:53 AM

Then there was her method of "training" Batman. Namely, by murdering a martial arts master and framing Bruce for it so that he'd be forced to fight said master's vengeful students.

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#12860: Jan 20th 2023 at 11:19:10 AM

[up]*4: I think Cheshire's depiction in this show was intended to be based on her original personality. From what I understand it, Cheshire in the comics was more like how she is in the show as a Noble Demon antagonist with layers to her personality, until a writer decided to have her straight-up nuke an entire country and changed her personality to be more two-dimensionally evil, something the character has never been able to shake since.

So Young Justice just said "screw that" and chose not to do away with that character complexity.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 20th 2023 at 11:19:49 AM

GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#12861: Jan 31st 2023 at 8:57:32 PM

Christopher Jones did a variant cover for the upcoming Milestone 30th Anniversary Special out next month, featuring the YJ versions of Static, Rocket, Icon, and Hardware.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/tumblr_ea7f9c7c95a4737cbad188e0dbfbfca6_674525d9_1280.jpg

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Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#12862: Feb 1st 2023 at 6:57:47 AM

Was Hardware in YJ?

GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#12863: Feb 1st 2023 at 3:35:41 PM

In season 3, yes. He was one the Justice League members who "quit" to join Batman and later helped Dr. Jace set up her lab.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#12864: Feb 26th 2023 at 1:06:42 PM

What depictions of the characters here would you like to see used in the comics and future adaptations?

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12865: Feb 26th 2023 at 1:23:22 PM

while Comic Cheshire is often written as a Hate Sink, especially under the pen of Gail Simone.

Gail has cited that it's because Cheshire nuked a country that she writes her like that.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#12866: Feb 26th 2023 at 1:53:59 PM

[up]X2: Let's see:

  • Lagoon Boy is probably the most utilized and grown version of the character. He was only recently used in the comics as sacrificial fodder for Heroes in Crisis.
  • The whole Crock-Nguyen family. They were one of the more interesting elements of this series, and made me care about Sportsmaster as a credible character.
  • Danny Chase is written to be far more sympathetic here than his comics counterpart, despite being cruelly implanted into a motherbox.
  • The more mechanical Mister Twister has a cool design. His comic book origin has him gain mystical powers from "an evil being from his computer", so I think his YJ counterpart is a more serviceable way of streamlining him.
  • Black Beetle. Even LEGO DC Super-Villains chose to adapt this specific version than his human comic book counterpart. The latter is technically from the future, so there wouldn't be any conflicts either.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Feb 26th 2023 at 4:54:28 AM

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#12867: Feb 26th 2023 at 2:18:49 PM

I brought it up before, but in Catwoman: Hunted, Jade/Cheshire appears for a bit, and she's sporting her Young Justice character design, voice actress, and personality.

Edited by WillKeaton on Feb 26th 2023 at 3:19:21 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12868: Feb 26th 2023 at 2:59:59 PM

[up]×2

Wasn't the Crock-Nguyen family a case of Related in the Adaptation? I don't know if it could be introduced in the comics without a retcon.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#12869: Feb 26th 2023 at 3:04:19 PM

DC is trying to go for a "everything matters and is in continuity if you want it to be" vibe right now, and even if it wasn't I don't think they'd get a ton of backlash for implementing that family in the comics. The bigger issue imo is that Artemis and Cheshire aren't in any of the ongoing books right now.

Windona Beetle Brained from At the intersection of eternity (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Beetle Brained
#12870: Feb 26th 2023 at 5:36:08 PM

Seconding Black Beetle. Comics Black Beetle was a !?!?!? so seeing him combined with Dawur was perfect.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12871: Feb 26th 2023 at 7:23:01 PM

[up]×2

Sportsmaster and Tigress(Mother and Daughter) have always been related, Cheshire was the addition to the family in the show.

The younger Tigress also married Icicle Jr and had a child together.

Edited by Cortez on Feb 26th 2023 at 11:27:15 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#12872: Feb 26th 2023 at 9:30:31 PM

@Cortez Yeah, I know Simone's reasons for writing Cheshire that way. Then again, she's never done that with characters comparable to her.

[up]They've introduced more contradictory retcons in the comics like Wonder Woman being a member of the JSA during World War 2.

Edited by windleopard on Feb 26th 2023 at 6:49:17 PM

GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#12873: Feb 27th 2023 at 7:48:18 AM

I wouldn't mind if they reintroduced Child and Flaw to the main continuity and made them resemble the show's counterparts more.

[up]x6 That's because Weisman considers Hunted to be in-continuity with YJ, or at least a similar version of those events happened. So, she's mostly similar in both versions.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#12874: Feb 27th 2023 at 8:05:43 PM

During the credits for "Beyond the Grip of the Gods!" while the characters are talking about candidates for their reserve program, they've got a screen filled with candidates, and I swear in the top right corner is Clayface.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#12875: Feb 28th 2023 at 10:51:50 AM

[up] That actually makes sense (and sweet). Before Season 4, an audio play ("The Prize") was released centering on Clayface reforming after being Mad Hatter's pawn in Season 3. Now he works under Will Harper's Bowhunter Security company. The Season 4 companion comic also touches on this element as well.


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