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Oct 3rd 2019 at 1:13:08 AM

The Crock-Nguyen family are more or less the Wilsons but less messed up in comparison.

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Nov 9th 2019 at 6:39:01 PM

I want to clarify one thing; I'm NOT opposed to well intentioned Extremists IF it's also clear that they're completely and utterly narcissistic, and that it bites them in the ass. Illidan Stormrage is an example of a well intentioned extremist, as is Ozy. Both of them are genuinely trying to save the world.....but they're so utterly selfish they end up either shooting their own efforts in the foot (come to think of it Dr Doom is ALSO like this) or they arrogantly refuse to accept that maybe there's another way. Ozy's motives are also mixed with selfishness in that he thinks HE has to be the one to save the world; it can't be anyone else it has to be him.

It's one of the reasons I brought up Unalaq. He DOES genuinely want the worlds to join together and he even has somewhat of a point....thing is it's mixed with a narcissistic desire to rule everything as a god, which renders any good intentions moot.

If Vandal Savage is like THAT than ok. I don't have a problem with it as much.

Even a lot of Not So Well Intentioned Extremists THINK they have good intentions (i.e. Lex Luthor)

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Nov 9th 2019 at 7:23:48 PM

[up] Except Vandal Savage is like that. If you think about it, his whole Well Intentioned Extremist viewpoint is just his way of justifying all of his villainous actions he commit in the the series. Hell the story Olympia interpret is just her flowery interpretation of the guy as she basically idolize him and will always be loyal to whatever plans Vandal have.

If anything the real motivation for Vandal's whole conquest over anything is basically self preservation. The bear he killed was because the creature has been hunting him for years and gave him his tradmark scar. The pact he made with Darkseid is so that Earth and his empire wouldn't be decimated by the New God. The formation of the Light is to counteract any oncoming alien force that would attempt at conquering the planet that he called dibs on (ie Starro). Killing his daughter Olympia is mostly so she wouldn't unintentionally spill the secrets to his enemies so they would know his weakness.

Basically everything Savage done isn't really so much to be a protector of mankind, but rather to ensure that he and his legacy can live on forever.

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Dark Hero
Nov 9th 2019 at 7:49:54 PM

[up][up]They are already are straight villains.

Axel on Stage I am also known as Saya1
Nov 10th 2019 at 12:11:20 AM

That isn't really a low bar to clear though.

True. But hey, neither Jade nor Artemis has gouged out their eye and even this version of Sportsmaster pales in comparison to the bastard Slade usually is.

It would be interesting if Rose shows up as a Foil to Artemis or even Jade.

Edited by windleopard on Nov 10th 2019 at 12:12:26 PM

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Nov 10th 2019 at 12:46:31 AM

[up] I donít know. At least Slade, as fucked up as he is when maintaining a relationship with his family, actually care for his kids and didnít treat them as assets for his merchanary wo- oh wait he did.

. . . Well at least he cares about them, unlike Sportsmasters who only wanted to avenge Artemis death to satisfy his ego after feeling that the Light are treating his status as enforcer as a joke.

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Nov 10th 2019 at 12:54:24 AM

Well that's the important distinction is it?

Does Sportsmaster on any level at all care for his daughters like daughters & not just tools to be used.

Cause Slade as horrible as a person as he is does deep down love his kids. Yes its a toxic & dysfunctional love but it is a love that sometimes makes him want to do best by them regardless of how fucked up it is.

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
Nov 10th 2019 at 1:21:24 AM

Even with Slade, how much he cares for his children is inconsistent and the amount of misery he's brought on his family makes one question if he truly cares at all.

Artemis and Jade were really lucky to have Paula.

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Nov 10th 2019 at 8:05:25 PM

It says something about how bad Slade is as a parent that Sportsmaster has done less damage to his kids. And Sportsmaster has done a lot of damage to his kids.

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Nov 10th 2019 at 8:18:27 PM

Funnily enough Jade & Artemis do have it better because their mother is a good person.

Adeline, Slade's wife & the mother of Jericho is a CIA agent who is a couple notches below Slade in the terrible person bar. Plus she hates Rose for being an example of Slade's infidelity.

At one point Slade gained access to a data feed that had intel of all the terrible things Adeline & could have been used to ruin her.

He destroyed it though because as toxic as their relationship is, even he has his own moments of being a softy.

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
Nov 10th 2019 at 8:57:19 PM

[up][up] Like I and [up] said, Artemis and Jade have the fact that they have more positive influences in their lives than Grant, Rose and Joey do. It's less that Slade is worse than Lawrence (though admittedly we haven't seen as much of Lawrence's abuse of Jade and Artemis) and more that they had a lot of people to help them on the right path (or in Jade's case make her less of a terrible person).

[up]Wasn't Adeline a nice enough person until Rebirth?

Edited by windleopard on Nov 10th 2019 at 8:59:34 AM

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Nov 10th 2019 at 9:48:35 PM

About the only slightly positive thing that can be said of Young Justice Lawrence Crock's "parenting" is that he didn't care enough to fight to keep his children on his side and away from positive influences as long as they were still badass. Because ultimately he just saw them as extensions of himself — if they were badass then he was badass for training them.

Slade Wilson by contrast does love his kids, but it's a toxic and rather possessive love. It also doesn't help that the Wilson family only had Slade's friend and Battle Butler Wintergreen as their moral compass — and Wintergreen unfortunately was too loyal to actually challenge Slade on a lot of matters. Still, it's telling that the Wilsons as a whole got a whole lot worse a whole lot faster once Wintergreen was killed.

How good or how bad YJ!Deathstroke is compared to the original comics one may depend on whether or not YJ!Deathstroke has Wintergreen at his side.

Edited by M84 on Nov 11th 2019 at 1:55:07 AM

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Dark Hero
Nov 10th 2019 at 10:32:03 PM

Slade was also willing to murder his kids, and then blame other people for him killing them.

Axel on Stage I am also known as Saya1
Nov 10th 2019 at 10:32:38 PM

[up]Wait, when did that happen?

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Dark Hero
Nov 10th 2019 at 11:14:19 PM

[up]When he killed Jericho in the comics.

He later captured Tim Drake in a later story when he was leading villains against them and went on a big rant about how the Titans ruined everything with his children.

First bringing up Grants death and how the Titans caused it, to which Tim brought up they had nothing to do with it as it was the HIVE's modifications that caused his heart to fail. Then bringing up Rose abandoning him for the Titans, Tim pointed out that he was mind controlling her while making her take drugs with horrible effects on her health. Lastly bringing up them causing Jericho's death (he is better and with the titans at this point), to which Tim calls bullshit as Slade was the one who stabbed him.

The story ended with the reveal that Slade had sicced murderous super villains on the Titans and his kids that joined them as a way to manipulate them to fully embrace the titans, so he could fulfill a twisted sense of being a good father to them.

Edited by Envyus on Nov 10th 2019 at 12:16:31 PM

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Such heroic nonsense
Nov 11th 2019 at 12:28:19 AM

Him stabbing Jericho was more of a Mercy Kill than anything (Jericho had been possessed by evil spirits), but it's still shitty to pin all the blame on the Titans for it. He still ultimately shoved that sword through Joey's back.

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slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
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Nov 11th 2019 at 12:31:26 AM

At the very least he once had the decency to allow himself to get beaten to death by an enraged Jericho.

Sure Jericho stopped before the last blow cause he accidnelty hurt Rose but hey itís the thought that counts. tongue

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
Nov 11th 2019 at 2:03:58 AM

[up][up]Slade can easily rival Dr Doom and Eddie Brock when it comes to Irrational Hatred and Never My Fault. There's a scene in Infinite Crisis where Slade goes on a rant about how Nightwing took his family from him. Dick knocked him out and told him to take responsibility for his own mistakes for once in his life.

Edited by windleopard on Nov 11th 2019 at 2:08:25 AM

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Nov 11th 2019 at 2:07:18 AM

Guy once dropped a living chemical weapon on a city, wiping it out, just because he wanted to hurt Nightwing as payback.

Edited by M84 on Nov 11th 2019 at 6:09:10 PM

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slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Nov 11th 2019 at 2:10:22 AM

Man do Dick & Slade hate each other.

The comics, Teen Titans, Titans, at this point they are their own Batman & Joker.

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
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Such heroic nonsense
Nov 11th 2019 at 2:15:46 AM

Except worse in a way since Slade is deliberately targeting a much younger hero. There's a reason he's the page image for Pick on Someone Your Own Size.

Granted, Joker is also bad about this since he enjoys targeting Robins. In the comics he had fun killing Jason Todd, went after Black Mask since Black Mask "killed' Stephanie Brown before he could, and once took Tim Drake on a particularly disturbing car ride on Christmas Eve.

Heck, in his only appearance in YJ Joker tries to stab Robin while saying "I've always wanted to carve this bird."

This personal grudge between Dick and Slade is actually a major reason Slade's plan failed in The Judas Contract. While Terra easily incapacitated the rest of the Teen Titans, Slade insisted on going after Nightwing personally. And Nightwing got away from him. It's entirely possible that if he had Terra handle it, she'd have taken out Nightwing as easily as she did the other Teen Titans. Reminds me of BTAS' "Mad Love", tbh.

Edited by M84 on Nov 11th 2019 at 6:22:02 PM

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