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Sep 18th 2019 at 2:42:02 PM

A story inspired by Titans Tomorrow would be interesting.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Sep 19th 2019 at 1:31:04 PM

For some reason, I find Gregor and Tara's reunion at the very end, with Gregor becoming Tara's legal guardian, very touching. Like, I feel I could watch secondary plots of those two interacting and catching up on lost time for a few episodes at least.

AHI-3000 Gorilla Guerrilla from California Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Sep 19th 2019 at 3:53:40 PM

[up]Yeah, considering those two haven't seen each other in a couple years and lost most of their other family, they're all they've got left.

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M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Sep 19th 2019 at 8:43:42 PM

Gregor's probably feeling a lot of guilt over the events of the season finale. He most likely blames himself for his brother seizing the throne — he did exile him out of political expediency after all. That he might have been psychically nudged into that course of action is irrelevant.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Sep 19th 2019 at 9:01:07 PM

At least someone from that family has found some measure of happiness.

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Completely trustworthy
Sep 19th 2019 at 9:12:57 PM

Parents: dead.

Uncle: got a bad case of hot face.

Brother #1: Unhappy ruler

Brother #2: Slightly less happy ex ruler who at least gets to be with his sister

Sister: ex Mind Raped assassin who was pulled back from the brink, but traded one brother for another.

Yeah. The Markov family ain't doing too well.

Everyone is XEHANORT
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Sep 19th 2019 at 9:30:21 PM

And this is an improvement from the comics.

Disgusted, but not surprised
HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Completely trustworthy
Sep 19th 2019 at 9:41:16 PM

Well, the Terra thing is.

It's certainly better than cuckoo for cocoa puffs murderer who has sex with a really old man and then kills herself in a complete meltdown.

....wow. When I put it that way, that is an improvement.

Everyone is XEHANORT
Sep 20th 2019 at 2:57:42 AM

[up]Pretty much every adaptation of this story has been an improvement over the source material. There is no way the original story (which had Slade getting off scot free after committing statutory rape and attempted murder) was going to fly in a post #Me Too! world.

kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Sep 20th 2019 at 5:38:01 AM

[up]Yeah, I admit, as much as I love Judas Contract, parts of it haven't aged well.

Thought part of why I like it so much might be because I read between the lines and didn't take the overly expositive text boxes telling us how EVIIIIIIIIL Terra is at face value. Hell, I think I skipped most of it.

Show, Don't Tell, people.

Edited by kkhohoho on Sep 20th 2019 at 7:38:32 AM

Sonic and the Freedom Fighters — Blue Horizon: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12583620/1/Sonic-and-the-Freedom-Fighters-Blue-Horizon
Sep 26th 2019 at 7:38:09 AM

Watching Jordan Peele's Us makes you realize just how lucky Conner and Will turned out.

Sep 26th 2019 at 11:44:30 PM

Personally I think it might be interesting if Tara was a bastard child like the original comic storyline.....except here it's not common knowledge. It might add a new dimension to why Bedlam launched his coup if his sister KNEW her husband was committing infidelity and accepted his apology. He'd see his sister as weak for taking her cheating husband back, and it would also give more info on why he sold Tara. As far as he's concerned she's just some bastard born of infidelity who's not "really" his niece so why the hell should he care?

Anyway I came across this review and while I didn't fully agree with it (the apokolips arc was nicely concluded) I agree that it was kinda trying to juggle too many plot lines (it made the point that we don't follow up on Harper or see how she's doing, which is a fair point.) It also ties in with why I'm annoyed about the light (apart from lex being disgraced they seem to have really not been inconvenienced and if they keep adapting to EVERY bad thing that comes their way it just gets annoying.)

Still overall it was a hell of a fun season and I loved that they were on to Terra from the start.

https://blacknerdproblems.com/faltering-under-its-own-ambition-a-candid-talk-about-part-2-of-young-justice-outsiders/

M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Sep 27th 2019 at 12:37:51 AM

No...I don't think it was necessary for Tara to have that in her background. The Bastard Bastard part of her original characterization was almost as problematic as...pretty much everything else about her original characterization.

It's just...totally unnecessary. And it would needlessly complicate things in a season that you even admit was already a bit packed.

Edited by M84 on Sep 28th 2019 at 3:39:08 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Sep 27th 2019 at 3:24:59 AM

I don't think Lord YAM was suggesting Tara be a Bastard Bastard but that she just be an illegitimate child like her comic counterpart. Her story in the show could be the same but she'd be end up being a Heroic Bastard by the end.

M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Sep 27th 2019 at 3:51:07 AM

The point of her being a bastard in the original story was that the writer seemed hellbent on including every stereotypical "villain" trait, so why not make her a bastard too?

Making her a Heroic Bastard in this story could be a thing but it just seems unnecessary.

Edited by M84 on Sep 27th 2019 at 6:52:23 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
FrozenWolf2 Just an Old Mon from Stuck in Kanto
Just an Old Mon
Sep 28th 2019 at 4:58:11 AM

look Wolfman got away with ALOT of things due to the fact New Teen Titans was the hottest **** in DC at the time

Married Donna to his Self Insert

Said Self Insert still flirted with every other girl

when he decided that Slade was also gonna be his Insert character... well There is a reason most people don't like the whole Dick thinks of Slade like a Second Batman figure in his life

but yeah throwing Terra under the bus was Wolfman being Wolfman

"You ever breathe through more then one opening boy? Once I get better you be sure to let me know what its like."
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Sep 28th 2019 at 5:01:29 AM

I've been critical of Wolfman being a fucking creep before in other threads too. Seriously, Wolfman was just...blech.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Sep 28th 2019 at 5:11:32 AM

Now that I think about it, I don't think Wolfman's Deathstroke series had any villains that were allowed to be less evil than Slade. In fact, that's where Cheshire becoming an Ax-Crazy Dragon Lady started where she used to have some standards before.

slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Sep 28th 2019 at 5:16:43 AM

Wait who da fuck was his self-insert that Donna married?

Damn bastard damaged Slade & Terra.

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
FrozenWolf2 Just an Old Mon from Stuck in Kanto
Just an Old Mon
Sep 28th 2019 at 5:21:14 AM

Terry long who was basically just a red haired version of a younger Marv Wolfman at the time

No no Wolfman's Deathstroke was honorable moral warrior

It was the next guy and liefeld that went with BUGFUCK evil Slade and Co

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Sep 28th 2019 at 7:22:29 AM

"You ever breathe through more then one opening boy? Once I get better you be sure to let me know what its like."
Sep 28th 2019 at 8:38:23 AM

https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/28/20836920/young-justice-outsiders-review

To quote this article:

"IT BENDS OVER BACKWARDS AND STRETCHES ITSELF TO GIVE ALMOST EVERY MINOR CHARACTER A BIG ARC."

That's the fundamental problem with the show. It tries doing too much. It's like you need an encyclopedia's worth of DC knowledge to even follow the show, much less determine what elements of the show you like and dislike.

Sep 28th 2019 at 9:42:46 AM

When Sensei first appeared, I didn't know his backstory, so I looked it up, and apparently he was Ra's father? Is that still canon? Or do the writers just like to pretend that bit never happened?

M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Sep 28th 2019 at 9:47:17 AM

All I know is that it's not the case in the series continuity.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Sep 28th 2019 at 5:40:06 PM

The idea of a teen sociopath planted in the group wasnít a bad one....except that the sleeping with an older man was creepy. George Perez and Marv Wolfman are good writers but thatís still gross (though fortunately Perezís Wonder Woman work has held up better with regards to gender portrayal)

Sep 28th 2019 at 9:40:02 PM

Slade sleeping with Tara wouldn't have been so bad if Wolfman hadn't written it like it made Tara look bad instead of Slade.

From what I heard, Perez originally wanted Slade to be an irredeemable monster back when he was involved in plotting for the series. It was Wolfman who wanted Slade to be seen as a Noble Demon even going as far as changing the reason why Slade was trying to kill the Titans.


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