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G2BattleConvoy The Hope, The Hero from Installation 07 Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Hope, The Hero
#22426: Apr 26th 2020 at 4:13:34 PM

....Uh, hold on a sec.

*Does a Google*

...Huh, apparently it was done as early as 2002.

Whereas 00 started in 2007.

Edited by G2BattleConvoy on Apr 26th 2020 at 12:18:44 PM

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#22427: Apr 26th 2020 at 4:42:38 PM

...fucking hell Astray's author was ahead of their time

Are explosions science?
amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#22428: Apr 26th 2020 at 6:02:27 PM

Question. What do you guys think, are the stock OYW Core Fighter's missiles strong enough to kill a Zaku? Or would the Zaku tank it the same way it would the vulcans?

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#22429: Apr 26th 2020 at 6:36:36 PM

That's sort of a complex question, given that vulcans are shown scoring kills against MS on occasion. But given that the core fighter's primary role was as an armed escape pod to let the Gundam's pilot (and its test data) escape in the event of the Gundam being disabled, it's likely that its missiles are intended to provide a credible threat to Zakus. They wouldn't be much use, otherwise.

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#22430: Apr 26th 2020 at 6:49:37 PM

I get that. I just learned not to underestimate the uselessness of everything not a mobile suit against a mobile suit.

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#22431: Apr 27th 2020 at 5:02:51 AM

Speaking of wacky Gundam people I just looked up Canard Pars, pilot of the Hyperion. So not only is his name one letter away from a French swear word, but does he really pilot his machine wearing a suit with his belly showing?

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G2BattleConvoy The Hope, The Hero from Installation 07 Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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#22432: Apr 27th 2020 at 5:07:52 AM

Uhhhhh... I cannot confirm that.

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#22433: Apr 27th 2020 at 5:12:25 AM

That's what google showed me, he has this neat outfit with the bared midriff going on and if that's his pilot suit....well okay I'm okay with Loran piloting the Turn A while bollock naked so I should probably shut up.

Canard's kinda handsome tho.

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#22434: Apr 29th 2020 at 4:26:46 PM

What does the Feds got over the Zekes?

THEY GOT BALLS!

This is an outrage against Luminara!
G2BattleConvoy The Hope, The Hero from Installation 07 Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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#22435: Apr 29th 2020 at 4:37:18 PM

That pun just Crosses the Line Twice.

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#22436: Apr 29th 2020 at 7:07:23 PM

Not nearly as much as that time someone on Spacebattles thought it would be funny to use variously colored Balls as bits with varying armaments, plus a white Cue Ball carrying a psycommu for controlling the others.

MightyKombat I am he as you are he as you are me and we are a from in mai mouffff (Ten years in the joint)
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#22437: Apr 30th 2020 at 1:41:05 AM

Make a custom Big Zam with two swinging Balls on its underside

"I AM DIRECTLY BELOW...ENEMY SCROTUM"

Are explosions science?
G2BattleConvoy The Hope, The Hero from Installation 07 Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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#22438: Apr 30th 2020 at 3:41:50 AM

... Mighty, you have won the Gundam thread.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#22439: Apr 30th 2020 at 6:18:29 AM

Given how much SEED was aping the OYW, I wanted a Striker pack that essentially turned the Strike into a GM Juggler... in other works, I wish the Gunbarrel Striker had Ball-shaped Gunbarrels.

And then we could have the Ball Strike Gundam. Which would make me so happy.

Just got the RG Aile Strike... along with my Ball Twin Set, I could actually kitbash this. Proly have to kill the Aile pack but who cares, it's boring anyway. THE BALL STRIKE WILL REIGN SUPREME. Just wish I had a Grand Slam to complete the baseball puns.

What does ZAFT fear?!? A mighty Ball Strike!

Edited by Larkmarn on Apr 30th 2020 at 9:19:12 AM

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#22440: May 8th 2020 at 1:19:40 PM

So I watched the first two Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO series. I liked them quite a lot actually. Fun little short during the war stories with some cool weapons. The CGI's pretty not great, especially around the humans. Sometimes it looks like they're really shooting for the camera mugging that certain live action shows use. And there's an oddly inconsistent weightlessness to some of the models. The Magellan/Salamis Battleships are surprisingly maneuverable this time around.

Favorite episode would probably be the one with the Di Ze'gok where he's trying to shoot down the ships. It's a pretty interesting premise, having lost Earth the protagonists are tasked with shooting down Fed back up before they can really mobilize in space. I like the repetition of the episode, how the procedure is tried three times and fails twice. It's a frustrating and failable process. But when it succeeds the results are amazing and he takes down 5 ships. And then the Core Boosters show up and save the day, killing the main dude like a little bitch.

I like that Imanishi brought a lot of the designs and characters from the series back in Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Rebellion. They look so much better out of the CGI. It's cool that Oliver and Monique are revealed as the designers of the Neue Ziel.

Drakohahn Since: Oct, 2009
#22441: May 14th 2020 at 2:31:29 AM

For the question on if the Core Fighter's missiles are strong enough to take down a Zaku II, I recall the episode where Bright Noa ended up sick and Amuro ordered to launch in the Core Fighter before being ordered to return to get the Gundam. In the time he was piloting the Core Fighter, he blows up a Gouf with the missiles.

So, yes, they are plenty strong enough to take out Zaku I Is.

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#22442: May 14th 2020 at 12:32:18 PM

Forget the core fighter, IGLOO 2 had a platoon manage to take down a Zaku on foot in an ambush - although the second Zaku slaughtered them in the predictable fashion, the sole survivor only managing to take it down with the last missile in a lucky shot after the Zaku fell in a giant pothole.

Then a third Zaku showed up out of camouflage and the rest is up to the viewers imagination.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#22443: May 14th 2020 at 12:50:01 PM

Speaking of Core Fighters, is it weird that probably my favorite combat scene in Bandit Flower is the Medeas just dropping some Core Blocks out their backs and them transforming mid-flight to waste some Zeon remnants?

Just a really cool use of the (really silly) Core Fighters.

I was actually surprised they had Core Fighters since the Full Armor uses a Core Pod, but it makes sense for them to use a space-exclusive version. Honestly makes more sense than the main UC canon... an atmospheric/space fighter seems inefficient.

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#22444: May 14th 2020 at 12:53:32 PM

I don't think Core Fighters are really supposed to be combat machines... they're glorified escape pods with a couple of missiles slapped on for self-defense.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#22445: May 14th 2020 at 1:19:22 PM

Honestly, the canon has really waffled back and forth on that.

In the anime they saw plenty of action, but that was more about desperation than anything else. But in The Origin the Core Fighter saw plenty of use and this incarnation of the Gundam doesn't even have a Core Block system so it's a dedicated fighting machine. This is basically the same in the novel version of Gundam by Tomino; Amuro was a Core Fighter pilot before the Gundam was even known.

Then you have things like the fact that MSV has the Federations' next-generation fighters were based on the Core Fighter, indicating its performance was pretty respectable.

And again, in the Thunderbolt continuity Core Fighters were explicitly used as escorts, but in this continuity we don't know for sure that they were ever combined with mobile suits.

Edited by Larkmarn on May 14th 2020 at 4:20:39 AM

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#22446: May 14th 2020 at 5:16:51 PM

I wonder how conventional fighter craft perform against mobile suits anyway.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#22447: May 14th 2020 at 6:17:12 PM

Some of the supplemental material suggests that aircraft were the Federation's most effective weapon against mobile suits during Zeon's invasion of Earth. Even with Minovsky interference, mobile suits had no good counter to being bombed, and Zeon's interceptors (like Dopps) were generally inferior to Federation aircraft. There were some attempts to cover this weakness (some accounts of the Zaku Cannon's development history says it was intended as an embedded anti-aircraft platform), but what ultimately did it is the fact that planes can't stay in the air indefinitely. Zeon forces would just hunker down when the bombs were falling, and then continue advancing. If you can do that long enough, then eventually you can overrun the base that the planes are launching from and problem solved.

Space combat is a different story, and mobile suits are presented as just universally superior to space fighters.

Edited by NativeJovian on May 14th 2020 at 9:18:08 AM

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#22448: May 15th 2020 at 7:11:55 PM

Wow, didn't expect my question to spawn this much discussion.

Anyway. I was asking in order to plan out a hypothetical (read: fanfic) situation where Amuro is up against Char's Zaku in just a Core Fighter, in zero gee. In my first line-up of the situation, he didn't even have a Core Fighter, he just landed a single, Newtype-assisted one-in-a-million hit on the Zaku's engine block with one of the White Base's cannons, making the Zaku pull a Zudah and streak off uncontrollably into the distance before fireballing.

Second idea was that he scores the killshot with the Core Fighter, which was what I asked for.

Current idea is something I felt would be more in-character for Amuro: he keeps fighting in the Core Fighter until he runs out of ammo, then flies behind the White Base, ditches the Core Fighter in a highly visible location and hops onto one of the White Base's turrets. When Char follows, he spots the Core Fighter, reflexively opens fire... and only notices the open and very much empty cockpit a split second before Amuro blasts him in the back with the turret at such a close range that even though Char Newtype-reacts to the incoming shell, the Zaku's actuators can't keep up with his commands to get out of the way. Basically, Amuro pulls a variant of how he nailed Gyunei using the Core Fighter as a decoy and it works because even the fabled Three Times Faster Red Zaku cannot teleport.

Edited by amitakartok on May 15th 2020 at 4:16:18 PM

JudasZala Since: Jul, 2011
#22449: May 17th 2020 at 6:22:13 PM

I've been thinking about what a theoretical season 3 of Gundam SEED could be like, instead of the unofficially cancelled movie.

If GSD broke Shinn down, then the sequel could be about rebuilding and redeeming him; Shinn working with Kira could be like Kamille and Amuro's relationship in Zeta Gundam, and Lunamaria would provide moral support for him. He could be piloting the Destiny Impulse as his first suit, but it would be battery powered, but one of the three ships could be installed with an improved version of the Beam Energy Recharging System used by the Impulse. Sometime later, Shinn would get the spiritual successor to the Destiny, which could be a transformable suit (unless Athrun has first dibs on them).

There could be a Mineva/Mariemaia expy, and she would be half-Natural and half-Coordinator. The only thing she would know was that she was the daughter of Fllay Allster. (Yeah, I know... but if Mu can survive a blast from an antimatter cannon, if Kira can survive two massive explosions inside his mobile suit, anything can happen in the Cosmic Era!)

Lacus's character arc would be similar to Barack Obama's term as President of the US, as well as current politics around the world. She would have to deal with an ideologically split PLANT, with some members still loyal to Patrick Zala's ideals, some loyal to Durandal's, etc.; it could be a referendum on the rise of populism around the world (especially right wing populism, the Tea Party, etc.).

Or... it could also turn out like the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy.

amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#22450: May 17th 2020 at 7:57:16 PM

My own idea in that regard would've been the AtFed and Eurasia going to war over the former blaming the latter for losing against ZAFT twice over, which ZAFT is using as a proxy war against the AtFed by way of covertly aiding Eurasia with black ops units disguised as Eurasian. Shinn and Luna are part of this black ops unit due to their extensive wartime experience of operating away from regular forces and are working under the considerable pressure of their capture and/or identification as ZAFT personnel resulting in the AtFed declaring war on ZAFT at a time when Lacus' peacetime policies mean ZAFT's military isn't prepared.

What makes the situation even more complicated is that the AtFed itself is on the verge of a civil war because the radical leadership is actively bankrupting the national economy by pouring all their resources into the military for an all-or-nothing round 3 against ZAFT. Part of the reason why the war against Eurasia was launched in the first place was to give the citizenry something other to think about than their own increasing poverty: if the war is won, Orb and ZAFT are next, if the war is lost, the warhawk leaders will be lynched and the economy will crash so badly it will most definitely pull the entire hemisphere down with it and spark a global refugee crisis.


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