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terlite50 Since: Jan, 2024
#25726: Apr 24th 2025 at 6:58:32 AM

[up]I honestly can't remember any of Elan Four's interactions with Suletta in season 1, I can only remember the part where he gets into Aerial and is surprised at not feeling pain. I can also remember Elan Five tries to court Suletta, but that mostly felt like deception that Elan Prime tasked him with in order to steal Aerial. So it's up to your judgment unless I rewatch G-Witch.

Edited by terlite50 on Apr 24th 2025 at 10:09:44 AM

Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
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#25727: Apr 24th 2025 at 7:10:12 AM

I don't know about reciprocated. Suletta certainly thinks that's what's going on because she's clinging on him being the first person who showed her kindness while she was imprisonned, but Elan wants nothing to do with that. He's just getting close to her to ascertain Suletta and Aerial's true natures and then gets mad that it's Aerial that is special.

Edited by Resileafs on Apr 24th 2025 at 10:22:46 AM

Mami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#25728: Apr 24th 2025 at 7:39:23 AM

[up]X2 El5n playing up the flirting by a million is very blatantly a deception and not even in question, his dynamic with Suletta basically amounted to weirding her out until they decided to pair him up with neurotic terrorist girl.

[up]I honestly can't remember any of Elan Four's interactions with Suletta in season 1, I can only remember the part where he gets into Aerial and is surprised at not feeling pain.

Considering he wasn't even around for long that's a lot of content to forget.

[up]His last episode (beyond sudden gundam ghost appearance) has him finally accept that there is someone reaching out to him who wants to celebrate important things with him, something that left enough of a mark on him that he was literally singing happy birthday before they turned him into shawarma (an execution method which in hindsight is positively deranged actually). The whole point of the subplot is the tragedy of something that was snuffed out right before it could turn into something more concrete.

Edited by Mami on Apr 24th 2025 at 3:49:36 PM

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Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
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#25729: Apr 24th 2025 at 7:49:10 AM

Sure, though at that point I don't know if Suletta was even thinking it in a romantic way anymore. She was reaching out to someone whom she could feel needed help, but whether it was in a romantic "I can fix him" kind of way or just because she's generally a good bean who can't stop inserting herself in other people's lives to fix their problems is an open question.

Mami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#25730: Apr 24th 2025 at 7:59:26 AM

I don't think that part super matters to my overall point? Which is that they used romantic framing for a lot of their interactions by design to lull the viewer into a false sense of security when it seemed like he was going to become an actual rival for Miorine (even if she jokingly gives her approval for Suletta to "two time") who unlike Guel Suletta actually had positive feelings for and wanted to get closer to, only to microwave him. Like there is a reason his ghost is what reaches out to her first in the final episode. Whether what you can describe for each of them at any singular point in the experience is love is hard to say, but what overall matters is that by the very end it could have definitely turned into that but it was already too late which is why I would still consider him a love interest.

Is this just a difference in mindset between someone like me whose been deep in the shoujo manga trenches Vs other people? Honestly this is mostly serving to remind me about my sour lemons on the overall handling of Suletta's relationship with the secondary cast.

Edited by Mami on Apr 24th 2025 at 4:10:02 PM

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Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
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#25731: Apr 24th 2025 at 8:17:48 AM

I'm just saying that the concept of reciprocity is hard to gauge between Suletta and El4n due to the circumstances of their interactions during episode 4-6. Suletta's social and emotional immaturity leads her to assume and misjudge a lot of her interactions with people during season 1.

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#25732: Apr 24th 2025 at 8:34:27 AM

[up][up] For what it's worth, it came across to me like it was supposed to be read in a romance-type way.

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Mami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#25733: Apr 24th 2025 at 8:36:52 AM

[up]X2 We're kind of not on the same page I think. That last interaction after their fight in particular is what firmly puts it as reciprocal to me, because that's when they're finally on the same page about what they want out of eachother (someone to bond with more), and whether El4n's interactions with her prior was tinged with his misunderstanding on her circumstances or Suletta's lack of understanding on the nature of her own feelings due to her immaturity they both did genuinely want something out of the others presence.

[up]That honestly is a relief, thank you.

Edited by Mami on Apr 24th 2025 at 4:40:37 PM

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Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
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#25734: Apr 24th 2025 at 8:47:17 AM

I've always assumed that El4n knew he was never going to be able to hold on to that promise after he lost the duel because he was aware that he was going to be executed afterwards.

Also I'm not saying that there wasn't a possibility of romantic feelings evolving, but most of Suletta's feelings at first resulted of her assuming things about him (and herself, due to her upbringing).

Edited by Resileafs on Apr 24th 2025 at 11:51:53 AM

Mami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#25735: Apr 24th 2025 at 8:55:10 AM

I mean....yes? The show is pretty unambiguous on both accounts.

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JGC-97 Since: Jul, 2016
#25736: Apr 24th 2025 at 10:37:25 AM

On the subject, I'd like to bring up the Contrasting Sequel Main Character entries for the Gqux cast. Machu has one comparing her to Suletta and Hathaway. Suletta is obvious enough, but why is she getting compared to Hathaway of all people? It just looks random.

Also Nyaan and Shuji have currently crossed out entries for comparing them to Miorine and Guel, respectively. I can understand comparing Nyaan to Miorine, in the sense they are the "Secondary Female Lead" of their titles, but I am not so sure about the other. I guess the idea is being the Main Male Lead, but given that Guel was one of three, it doesn't sound like the same position. To put it in another way, why should Shuji be compared to just Guel, and not Elan or Shaddiq?

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#25737: Apr 24th 2025 at 10:39:15 AM

I'd say the one they should compare and contrast her with is Kamille, as basically the protagonist of a sequel to the One Year War.

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G2BattleConvoy The Hope, The Hero from Installation 07 Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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#25738: Apr 24th 2025 at 10:54:17 AM

Not to mention both start out their series stealing a Gundam and using that Gundam to fight against a bunch of brutish cops.

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RangerJackWalker Since: Sep, 2010
#25739: Apr 24th 2025 at 1:12:36 PM

SD Gundam G Generation ETERNAL, a mobile game that I don't anything about, is getting a new SEED story, complete with animation, set inbetween SEED and Destiny. Features a new DRAGOON Strike (Strike Rouge in classic colours with Dragoons) for Kira and some sort proto-Murasame for Athrun. Don't know how much animation this will have but it matches the style of the show. Seems like it is following continuity, what with Kira taking over the Strike Rouge after both the Freedom and Strike were destroyed and probably showing how he learned to use the Dragoons of the Strike Freedom.

Edited by RangerJackWalker on Apr 24th 2025 at 1:14:13 AM

G2BattleConvoy The Hope, The Hero from Installation 07 Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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#25740: Apr 24th 2025 at 1:21:05 PM

I've played a fair bit of it, and lemme tell you: so far, for the MSG and MSZG "campaigns," they just used stills from the anime with VN dialogue and the occassional voice clip. So there's that.

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RangerJackWalker Since: Sep, 2010
#25741: Apr 24th 2025 at 1:41:58 PM

I would guess there's not a whole lot of it but the trailer shows fully animated stuff at least.

G2BattleConvoy The Hope, The Hero from Installation 07 Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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#25742: Apr 24th 2025 at 3:40:42 PM

The trailer mentions at least a five-minute intro, so maybe I jumped the gun a little. I need to catch up on general story stuff in Eternal, anyway.

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terlite50 Since: Jan, 2024
#25743: Apr 28th 2025 at 1:21:16 PM

From the Writer Revolt page:

  • Tomino was forced to include major children/teen characters in Char's Counterattack, which he felt distracted from the main plot and was unnecessary filler.

Is this even remotely true, or is this a falsehood written by a contributor to sneak their subjective feelings in?

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#25744: Apr 28th 2025 at 1:27:49 PM

Considering that nearly every anime Tomino has directed, Gundam and non-Gundam alike, has young children as major characters, this is someone making shit up.

terlite50 Since: Jan, 2024
#25745: Apr 28th 2025 at 1:56:51 PM

I'm also noticing the rest of the Gundam entries on that page are just speculation based on what would make the creators seem like they were lashing out against the system. The original Gundam is posed as rebellion against making a toy commercial by making it Anime Battlestar Galactica, when it's just a regular toy commercial with a mature narrative that gets even more toyetic as the series goes on in the hopes of boosting ratings and sponsor morale. Plus I've heard tales told about how the intent of everyone in production was to do something different from the norm of toy robot shows.

Edited by terlite50 on Apr 28th 2025 at 5:00:49 AM

RangerJackWalker Since: Sep, 2010
#25746: Apr 28th 2025 at 4:15:33 PM

Does anyone think A Nazi by Any Other Name is not really applicable to o Durandal? He doesn’t really express any ‘racial’ hatred that is associated with Azrael and Patrick Zala. The character page only lists his association with genetics and Destiny Plan and Meer Campbell being identified by a gold star (her hair clip). The latter is an especially huge stretch.

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#25747: Apr 28th 2025 at 4:20:19 PM

Dude was all in on genetic predestination, but calling him explicitly a Nazi wouldn't fit.

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terlite50 Since: Jan, 2024
#25748: Apr 28th 2025 at 4:39:22 PM

It's a ludicrous stretch. Plus Durandal's motivation wasn't genetic supermen, it was...never actually written. In any case, remove the example from his character sheet.

Although now that I write that up, I'm wondering if Missing Steps Plan would be a good example to put on his character sheet to note how the Destiny Plan has no followable rationale behind it.

Speaking of Destiny, is anyone able to rewrite its "How Not To" section in "So You Want To: Write a Humongous Mecha Anime":

  • Gundam SEED Destiny: This installment is notorious for its huge hatedom. If anything, it's greatest failure(s) seem to lie in the fact that all too often, personal conflicts between cast and crew would spill over into the story itself. Whether you like this series or not, don't let this happen.

Edited by terlite50 on Apr 28th 2025 at 7:44:02 AM

RangerJackWalker Since: Sep, 2010
#25749: Apr 28th 2025 at 5:17:07 PM

[up]Honestly, that whole 'So you want to' page comes across as needlessly hostile in many places.

Edited by RangerJackWalker on Apr 28th 2025 at 5:18:08 AM

JGC-97 Since: Jul, 2016
#25750: Apr 28th 2025 at 5:38:13 PM

It had already been changed in the "So you want to write the next Gundam" page, but the editor seemingly forgot is was also written in another page. I just changed this one so the two now match.


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