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Prime32 Since: Jan, 2001
#1: Nov 11th 2010 at 1:27:20 PM

Magic Feather

Preferred Weapon Effect

What's the difference? The latter trope only has two examples - I thought three were required for a launch.

edited 11th Nov '10 1:27:36 PM by Prime32

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#2: Nov 11th 2010 at 1:38:43 PM

Preferred Weapon Effect is Magic Feather But More Specific, and its two examples are duplicates of items listed on Magic Feather. I vote cut it.

Also, nothing (very little?) is "required" of new articles, merely recommended. (And if an article doesn't meet recommended standards, it risks being cut.)

edited 11th Nov '10 1:42:05 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#3: Nov 11th 2010 at 2:19:51 PM

It didn't go through YKTTW where the similarity would, I expect, have been pointed out.

On the other hand, it may be a valid subtrope of Magic Feather, covering those situations where the Magic Feather is specifically a weapon, as opposed to any other thing. It would be worth running it through YKTTW to find out if there are enough examples to sub-trope it.

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#4: Nov 11th 2010 at 3:35:05 PM

I vote cut and send back to YKTTW. I feel that a weaponized subtrope of Magic Feather is sufficiently distinct from the general trope of Magic Feather.

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AnonymousMcCartneyfan Since: Jan, 2001
#5: Nov 11th 2010 at 7:39:42 PM

I have explained on the discussion page why I do not think this is simply a subtrope of Magic Feather.

What makes a Magic Feather is that the character is told it is magic when it is not. It is possible to get Preferred Weapon Effect on your own, by superstition alone — you've always had good luck wearing those special socks or wielding that special dagger, so you think the socks and the dagger are lucky in themselves, even if they are not.

It is also possible to have a Preferred Weapon Effect with a weapon that is magical — just not as magical as the character thinks it is. The trope is about a character attributing powers to a weapon when the powers belong to themself — say, the naturally lucky character thinking the dagger is lucky rather than them. This still holds if, say, the dagger is innately a vorpal dagger but not innately lucky.

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#6: Nov 11th 2010 at 9:16:22 PM

Ah, ok. That makes sense. The definition needs to be clearer, then; it's written very obliquely.

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#7: Nov 12th 2010 at 2:15:45 AM

Well there's actually no evidence of what Anonymous McCartney said. The two examples are magic feathers. Even if we theorise a level of extra freedom, there's nothing to say that this ends up being used or that it changes the "pass-on-ability" of the trope's "tropeability"  *

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#8: Nov 12th 2010 at 2:39:51 AM

It really needs to go to YKTTW and get all this straightened out there...

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SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#9: Nov 12th 2010 at 10:16:25 AM

We'll send it through. Get the hive mind opinion.

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#10: Nov 12th 2010 at 10:37:47 AM

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=gqxyozvn4hkjx6ko3ucv8u0c

Having seen similar stuff in Magic Feather and having looked at what some of the more "classic flavour" Magic Feather examples are like. What Anonymous said seems to have some value and there may be grounds for a splitting of the content.

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#11: Nov 12th 2010 at 11:56:38 AM

In the examples? No, those don't sound like examples of what the trope seems to be. But reading it again in light of Anonymous McCartney Fan's explanation, in a Magic Feather, the item is originally completely non-magical. It's the belief that it's magical that allows the person to tap their own innate ability. In this one, there is magic, and it's actually in the person, but they put it into the item, through their use of the item.

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#12: Nov 12th 2010 at 12:30:14 PM

Well the description on the page and the examples didn't have "It's a little bit magical". It even said that this case included "they may have been led to believe in the weapon's apparent magic by a less than truthful mentor" which is exactly a Magic Feather scenario so really we've just got to run with the pattern that emerges from the examples.

There are those examples and there are some other tropes in YKTTW which involve a sense of a character imbuing an object with power so it seems that this has some legs with a background in human culture for that sort of trope. (Bit of a mangled colloquialism there).

ExpiryBot Since: Dec, 1969
#13: Jan 12th 2011 at 11:04:11 AM

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