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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1: Jul 21st 2022 at 2:47:07 PM

The flag here for Aftermath was sent with the rationale

I'm not sure how graphic the content gets, but the description states that some consider it "borderline porno for necrophiles and gore fetishists" (though others apparently see it as a dark art film with deeper meaning).

I'm making this report after asking in Image Pickin' whether the pic is too NSFW; two individuals suggested that the work should perhaps go through the P5 first.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Tonwen HoMM Fan from Axeoth Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#2: Aug 2nd 2022 at 2:37:31 PM

To clarify, as the page is now a redirect, I think they are referring to Aftermath (1994).

I'm... torn.

On one hand it's probably not intended to be viewed as sexual or sexy, and was likely meant to disturb, but even critics have pointed out the sheer level of how graphic it gets make its merits hard to stomach.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#3: Aug 2nd 2022 at 2:39:14 PM

It feels similar to Serbian Film, which might not be intentionally titillating, but is so over-the-top graphic that intent may not matter if all we can trope is sex.

I mean, even the non-hidden tropes are... eh... Many of them are low-context, and the ones that aren't are either just describing the appearance of the corpses, or describing the gore and sex.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 2nd 2022 at 5:41:35 AM

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#4: Aug 2nd 2022 at 2:42:05 PM

I'm going to reluctantly call a keep. It's supposed to be "art."

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#5: Aug 2nd 2022 at 2:55:33 PM

Could we at least lock and clean this one like Serbian Film?

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#6: Aug 2nd 2022 at 3:01:09 PM

Did we ever clean A Serbian Film? To this day, it remains with no tropes on the work page.

I'm not saying I'm completely opposed to trying to clean this one, but Serbian Film isn't a good model.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
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#7: Aug 2nd 2022 at 3:01:45 PM

Wasn't a sandbox created? Did we not swap it?

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#8: Aug 2nd 2022 at 3:03:43 PM

A sandbox was made, but the swap never happened and I think to this day people still aren't sure if we should.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#9: Aug 2nd 2022 at 5:59:12 PM

Basically, it's in limbo because while the rules say we need to unstub it, nobody wants to actually do that.

But we don't get to stublock any more works. Either it's kosher or it isn't.

Edited by Ramidel on Aug 2nd 2022 at 4:59:53 AM

badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#10: Aug 2nd 2022 at 7:23:38 PM

I dare say if nobody wants to handle it, just cut the whole thing and re-evaluate it afterwards.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#11: Aug 2nd 2022 at 7:24:34 PM

Re-evaluate it after the cut why? How would that even work?

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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#12: Aug 2nd 2022 at 7:32:46 PM

Probably something along the lines of "Cut the page, determine if it's worth re-adding, and, if so, recreate the page."

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edited by badtothebaritone on Aug 2nd 2022 at 9:33:22 AM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#13: Aug 2nd 2022 at 7:33:51 PM

Yeah, that's not worth the trouble if we can just discuss it while the page is up.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#14: Aug 3rd 2022 at 1:31:06 AM

Yeah. Plus, keeping the page for ASF was actually decided by the P5. If nobody wants to deal with it, it stays in limbo until...someone deals with it.

The point for this thread is, we shouldn't use that situation as a precedent.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#15: Sep 6th 2022 at 11:14:20 AM

So, about this page...

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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#16: Sep 6th 2022 at 11:23:17 AM

I don't know what else to suggest we do with this besides biting the bullet, un-stublocking the page and giving it an extremely thorough cleansing. If there continue to be problems, I guess we can give it another look. Or just cutting the page and not looking back. I think those are our only real options.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#17: Sep 6th 2022 at 12:49:56 PM

This page isn't locked. If we want to bring back the ASF discussion, that's for another thread.

Anyway, my statement above stands. We have no cause to cut this film just on disgusting grounds.

Edited by Ramidel on Sep 6th 2022 at 11:50:53 AM

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#18: Sep 6th 2022 at 1:02:00 PM

I think its okay to keep. Guy we could lock the page?

I think this is one like realm of senses and Serbain film that I really don't think should be just left out in the wild.

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SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#19: Sep 6th 2022 at 1:58:31 PM

Please bring further discussion of A Serbian Film over to its thread.

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Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
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#20: Sep 10th 2022 at 8:57:05 PM

Keep. But make sure to lock it after cleansing.

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Sep 10th 2022 at 8:57:45 AM

Eh, good enough.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#21: Sep 11th 2022 at 9:26:41 AM

Has there been any creepy posting on page yet?

I don't see the point of precautionary locks for stuff like that - locking a page is after it becomes a problem.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#22: Sep 22nd 2022 at 11:51:16 PM

Bumping to get it out of the stack of locked threads.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#23: Oct 1st 2022 at 1:35:39 AM

Bumping to get it out of the stack of locked threads.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#24: Oct 1st 2022 at 6:53:35 AM

30 minutes.

    Recap 
After some non-verbal exposition about a car accident, classical music and stylystic shots, two coroners do two autopsies on two nude male corpses in the same room. The autopsies aren't as detailed as one'd think. Throughout the film the monotone ambient music grows louder and one of the coroners keeps spacing out. At 12 minute point the other coroner finishes the job, signs papers and leaves with his corpse in the bad, the other checks his one more time for some reason, and it cuts off.

The coroner gets a new corpse (female, full nudity) and works on her in a solo room. Before doing his job (mostly skipped over) right away he plays with the knife against her skin. After she's open, his pants get really itchy. He takes the camera, does the report, then sets it on auto. At 22 mark he takes off pants and jumps on her. What happens is obscured completely while the ambience gets really loud.

He puts fallen organs back, cleans up, bags her up, and is shown at home.

Not porn, excessive Gorn or Fetish Fuel. Nor the problem part is even shown. Gross, but seems to be Played for Horror. I think it's a keeper.

Edited by Amonimus on Oct 1st 2022 at 5:09:59 PM

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