SCP Foundation

Most of the time it either magically sprung into existence around that time, or was formed by the union of several more localized groups that served the same or similar purposes on a smaller scale- and some of those pre-cursor groups had been around for a very long time indeed- so the Foundation proper is usually ~100 years old, but if you count the component parts, it can be said that it's up to ~800 years old.

As I recall, the Foundation was going strong around the middle of the 19th century, and used runaway slaves as the first batches of D-Class.

Given there's no canon and in fact that some SCPs' backstories explicitly state that the current universe is not the first/original one, it's all too plausible that all versions of the Foundation's origins are actually true. Hell, one Series 4 SCP basically says that the Foundation is just the modern inheritor of a long series of organizations/groups that have taken upon themselves the task of protecting the world from anomalies, all the way back to the dawn of the modern human species tens or hundreds of millennia ago.

I would be surprised if the SCP Foundation doesn't rule the world from behind the scenes at this point

The only times an SCP article or tale has that happen is when anomalies have gone so out of hand that the Foundation decided they needed to take a far less subtle approach. Besides, it's a common thing for the Foundation to face great difficulty in handling scips that manifest or are located in Iran and Russia, the former because of a major GOI is based there that is generally uncooperative to downright hostile towards any foreign group (even the GOC has as much trouble as the Foundation, IIRC), and the latter because the Russian government is apparently distrustful of the (implicitly US-based) Foundation despite officially giving them access, to the point that oftentimes the Foundation has to be called in by Russia to become aware of some anomalies (i.e. Russia tried to handle it on their own, and not only failed but it got worse and worse until they finally swallowed their pride).

That being said, if you subscribe to that one SCP article, they do have control over the governments of some small countries, such as North Korea ^note In that one SCP article's "canon", the only reason the DPRK's totalitarian government ever came into power is because the Foundation needed such an environment to contain the SCP in question. The article says that there's been a lot of controversy inside the Foundation over this; IIRC it ended with the Ethics Committee finally convincing the O5 to look for a better solution..

Edited by MarqFJA on Jan 19th 2019 at 12:29:42 PM

While there's no canon in the SCP Foundation, the general idea is that the SCP Foundation does not rule the world. It protects it. Secure, Contain, Protect. It has a lot of clout, no doubt about that. But if it ever tried to outright take control of the world, the world would turn on them.

Ah yes, SCP-1851-EX. One of the most disturbing SCP entries ever.

And yes, Drapetomania was an actual pseudoscience. It was one of the worst examples of scientific racism.

Edited by M84 on Jan 20th 2019 at 11:33:03 PM

If things reach that point, the Foundation has completely and utterly failed its mission.

It's worth noting That SCP-1853-EX was mostly the work of ASCI, The Foundation's US-centric predecessor. Which I say not to absolve the current Foundation of moral responsibility, but to make the point that it happened before the actual creation of SCP Foundation, since it was brought up in the context of the Foundation's origins.

And, in the context of the Foundation ruling the world, it's worth emphasizing that they're not the only player in the anomalous game. Trying to pull a take over would leave them fending off the Global Occult Coalition, which is not quite as flush with resources and influence, but is still a global organization, which is more militant and more willing to use magic to their advantage. And there are more localized but still formidable groups like the Horizon Initiative and ORIA. And they'd certainly have to worry about guerrilla tactics from the Serpent's Hand and Chaos Insurgency.

Edited by Gilphon on Jan 20th 2019 at 1:27:32 PM

One of the most recient GOI the spirt of chicago pretty much asume the fundation date by the 1900 something because they could operate before the fundation start.

And what you are taking about is wrong proposal were it said the fundation came about by the union of 13 paranormal group who stick into one group and the leaders of said group become the OP-13 we all know and hate, all of that after the Svent ocult war, roughtly in the second world war.

^^ As I recall, they said that Marshall, Carter and Dark is by a wide margin the most powerful organisation they have to deal with, they're just also the most invested in a stable world.

I don't really buy that. I buy that MC&D thinks they are the most powerful, because they are very rich and have friends in high places, and people like that always think very highly of themselves. Certainly they are dangerous enough that it's worth being cautious of them, but I don't think they have the infrastructure to do much of anything aggressive on a large scale other than surgical assassination.

In the hypothetical situation where the Foundation decided to take over the world, I don't see MC&D doing much of anything other than joining the winning side.

Its not so much what WOULD they do, as what COULD they do.

Think of them like Putin and Russia. Militarily, they aren't as strong as some of the other players. But they have blackmail material on world leaders that WILL make them do anything and everything that Putin/Marshall, Carter & Dark says, no matter what. So, theoretically, Marshall Carter and Dark COULD just cause a nuclear war just because they wanted to. Or they could get every single countries government to declare open hostilities on the Foundation. But they won't.

Again: That strikes me as a lot more like how they think of themselves than how they actually are. The comparison to Putin actually strikes me as apt- they cultivate the impression that they have a lot more influence that they do, and are eternally reliant on the assumption that nobody will ever attempt to call their bluffs.

I mean, we're seeing that right now, Putin has turned the US Presidency into his total and complete unthinking puppet. If you had an organisation that could do that for every single world leader, how would that not be a gigantic level of power?

There are several shake assumptions at play there:

• Manipulating Trump is not a difficult task- it certainly isn't a demonstration of the overall effectiveness of the tactic
  • He's not an unthinking puppet of Putin's- he's too unstable and easily swayed to be an unthinking puppet of any single person. He just likes Putin, because he likes Dictators in general, and feels personally indebted to Putin in particular.
• MC&D certainly do not have that level of control of every world leader. Maybe they blackmail material on most, but if they think that would give them even in the rudimentary level of control Putin has over Trump over the majority of them, I have a bridge to sell them. World Leaders, by their very nature, hate being beholden to anyone.
• The actual level of power they have isn't strictly relevant in this context- if the Foundation decided to try to take over everything, MC&D would never attempt to oppose them single-handedly, they'd instead of just take stock for what resources both sides had, and then join the side they judged most likely to win anyway.

Not any of this changes the basic point that the Foundation would have a tall order if it went World Domination. I'm just saying that MC&D would never be the deciding factor.

Who exactly is the world leader, currently, who does not have a leash around their neck? Only ones I can think of are the ones who are dictators for life like Xi Jingping. I mean, May is currently at the mercy of her party and will jump through any hoop to satisfy them and the Murdoch press, Morrison is beholden to Australia's radical right and the Murdoch press, Macron needs to utterly reverse his climate stuff to appease the people....the leaders are always swayed by the people who got them elected, and Marshall, Carter and Dark would do everything in their power to make sure their people get elected in every government.

Thats wholly dependent on if they felt the Foundation taking over would pose a fundamental threat to their business. Cause their most likely move is to just try to force concessions out of the Foundation to protect their ability to sell their wares.

Like I said, just because they wouldn't do something doesn't mean they can't.

Yeah, also we are ignoring Dark, the guy(lady?) aparently have contact in other dimensions and parallel universe if some story go by, he(she?) can pull a lot of shit if it mean it.

Also what are you favorite GOI? mine is Sakarism, it seen like a very intersting dark religion in their own.

Hey, I was wondering if I could get some feedback from this thread regarding the some rankings on one of the Super Weight pages.

Now, the SCP Foundation entry has a few duplicate entries listed on separate tier classes, with no notes indicating why they're listed separately. Normally, I'd correct them myself, but I'll admit I'm not as intimately familiar with some the recent developments regarding the Foundation. I'm hoping to get some input to decide which ranks fit each character better.

• First, SCP-682 is listed a Type 5 and a Type 6 simultaneously. Type 5 is usually reserved for characters who can influence entire worlds, while a Type 6 characters are usually beings who can influence the universe on a grand cosmic-scale.
• Second, SCP-076-2 (aka Able) is listed as a Type 3 and a Type 6 simultaneously. Type 3 is usually reserved for characters considered to be your average superhero or mage.
• SCP-343 is listed as a Type 6 and a Type 7 simultaneously. Characters listed as a Type 7 are usually considered to be omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. Now, 343's listing does mention that it's only "allegedly" a Type 7, but I'm not sure if this is enough of differentiation from a Type 6.

I'd appreciate some feedback so I can clean up the entries. Thanks in advance.

343 is, for all intents and purposes, Yahweh. So put it in the category you'd put that.

682 is basically an universal sticking point, with Foundations universal foundation being built around his inability to die. You kill it, universe is going to start ending.

Able should only come under a superhero tier, except that he is empowered enough to be able to kill 682 if he really tries. So its wholly situational for the latter two.

Edited by Shake-Master on Jan 21st 2019 at 1:43:45 AM

1. The GOC's primary mission is essentially identical to that of the Foundation (i.e. protecting humanity), they just diverge from them on the method (absolute/universal zero tolerance vs. case-by-case judgment with a preference for the minimal amount of force/destruction/cruelty needed to do the job). There are a few SCP articles that involve alternate timelines or glimpses from the future in which the Foundation and the GOC actually joined forces, sometimes even merged outright ("AEGIS" is the name of one such example), due to facing a threat to human existence that neither of them alone could thwart.

2. The Horizon Initiative's relationships with most GOIs that aren't the Church of the Broken God or the Fifth Church are actually mercurial, due to the diversity of opinions among its members. Also, its official description makes it look like a religious version of the Foundation, in that it too was established in response to the growing number of anomalous threats to humankind, and operate on a case-by-case basis approach to whether they merely contain or outright destroy anomalies that they acquire. This makes it theoretically easier for it and the Foundation to form an alliance, and in fact this has happened in a few SCP articles, including one where the alliance included the GOC as well as the Church of the Broken God when the other three finally realized that the Broken Church were trying to help them against a common enemy (i.e. the Flesh That Hates).

3. The ORIA's power is mainly concentrated in the Middle East region in comparison to the Foundation and the GOC, who are true world-level players. I dare say that the only reason its still around is because 1) the only feasible way to do it is through open war, 2) the Foundation and the GOC find such a solution not worth the trouble/risk as things "currently" stand, and 3) the ORIA has yet to give either the Foundation or the GOC a reason to believe that it's an actual threat to the existence of humanity as a whole. Also, the ORIA's leadership are not above asking the Foundation for help, though the one time I remember them doing so is implied to have happened because they fucked things up big time... and they refuse to answer the Foundation's repeated demands for further information/cooperation after the latter realized the true severity of the fuck-up.

4. If the Serpent's Hand and the Chaos Insurgency aren't existential threats to the Foundation in the current status quo, they would be relatively trivial to deal withs in the event that any two or more of the above power players join forces.

Sooo wait a sec, there is also classification for "This is SCP written originally in this language" SC Ps? Like this one for example?

can you past a link of this alternate timeline?.

Also, ORIA also have a trick in their sleeve and they are powerfull enough to deter the fundation and GOI for break in, their point is contain anomalies, not fighting each other.

In the recent SCP-4994, they explicitly show an alternate version of Earth where the Foundation has much a much more direct approach and basically seized power. The punchline to the article summarizes perfectly the whole divergence in point of views between the two.

Here is the article where the AEGIS timeline is first mentioned (and so far is the only time AFAIK).