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Ganondorfdude11 Lord of Darkness from Hyrule Since: Jan, 2001
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#1: Nov 21st 2010 at 10:48:34 PM

It took me a while to put 2 and 2 together regarding the image, but even so I don't think that she's the poster child for this trope, even with the fake Mass Effect controversy. That controversy is also about three years old now and only had a brief time in the media spotlight. Nobody talks about it anymore. Maybe an image of Cliff Clavin from Cheers would be better? He supplies the page quote, after all.

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#2: Nov 21st 2010 at 10:56:21 PM

Just A Face And A Caption

edited 21st Nov '10 10:56:39 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
petrie911 Since: Aug, 2009
#3: Nov 22nd 2010 at 6:29:12 AM

How exactly do you illustrate this? It seems like anything would be really text-heavy.

That said, looking through the examples list, Calvin and Hobbes is mentioned. This is rather dialog-dependent, but it's a pretty good example.

EDIT: Calvin's Dad gets some good ones in, too. The second one would work fairly well with the panels arranged vertically.

edited 22nd Nov '10 6:33:56 AM by petrie911

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#4: Nov 22nd 2010 at 8:34:20 AM

If the trope can cover someone who's doing this intentionally to mess with someone else, then Calvin's dad is perfect; I'd go with the second pic, stacked vertically.

Acritdy Since: Dec, 1969
#5: Nov 22nd 2010 at 9:26:45 AM

What does the image add though, other than a box for the text?

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#6: Nov 22nd 2010 at 1:33:24 PM

I think text-heavy is okay if there is nothing better. What about one frame of Calvin's dad's explanation of old photos being B&W:

edited 22nd Nov '10 1:38:43 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#7: Nov 22nd 2010 at 3:29:54 PM

@Acritdy: I think the dad certainly has a "know it all" type of face in petrie's 2nd pic.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#8: Nov 22nd 2010 at 6:58:51 PM

I like that one two. The last panel alone should do. And a potholed caption to Critical Research Failure.

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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#9: Nov 22nd 2010 at 9:03:47 PM

Ehh, don't necessarily need the pothole, since Calvin's dad is just lying his butt off. :)

Acritdy Since: Dec, 1969
#10: Nov 22nd 2010 at 10:16:43 PM

@Acritdy: I think the dad certainly has a "know it all" type of face in petrie's 2nd pic.

Eh, I just don't see the point in using an image if it's almost completely based on the text. But tropers seem about as consistent on this subject as anything else, so bollocks to it. Shrug.

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#11: Nov 22nd 2010 at 11:22:01 PM

There's the Overbearing Know-It-All from the movie version of The Phantom Tollbooth..

edited 22nd Nov '10 11:22:21 PM by Geoduck

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#12: Nov 27th 2010 at 12:56:44 PM

Do we really need to be image vigilantes over this? I thought it explained it pretty well.

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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#13: Nov 27th 2010 at 1:09:28 PM

^^ Just a (huge, blubbery) face and a caption.

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helterskelter Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#14: Nov 27th 2010 at 1:13:52 PM

Calvin's dad is a pretty bad example—he's just messing with Calvin, it seems to me. It's very misleading, and probably a lot of people will assume the trope means people intentionally misinforming others.

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#15: Nov 27th 2010 at 1:15:54 PM

Now Lucy from Peanuts likely did this in the comics.

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#16: Nov 27th 2010 at 2:32:36 PM

[up][up] It is mixed, sometimes Calvin's dad seems to be deliberately messing with him, sometimes he really doesn't know and is making something up. I don't know if there is a frame where he is clearly making something up.

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#17: Nov 27th 2010 at 7:12:27 PM

Keep the image. It's nowhere near a too vicious Take That! and is accurate reportage of Cooper Lawrence's actions.

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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#18: Nov 27th 2010 at 7:14:45 PM

But do anchors at cable news outfits write their own headlines/chyrons/whatever they're called? And do they have the power to say "this story is stupid; I'm not doing it"?

Because if not, I think it's unfair to blame the anchor for the caption underneath her or the story she's forced to do.

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#19: Nov 27th 2010 at 7:26:01 PM

A little background, for the uninitiated.

The woman in the image, Cooper Lawrence, went to Fox news stating that Mass Effect was a virtual rape simulator where you could customize the women and have all sorts of different positions. She might be thinking of another adult program, but anyway, Fox ran the story where they also had someone who worked on the game. He asked if Cooper had ever played the game, she scoffs that she hadn't.

If the issue is that the image is JAFAAF then the text should be taken into account, as Semper Fi is a similar image that was upheld. If the issue is about it being a Take That! on Cooper Lawrence or Fox then I would argue that it is reportage.

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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#20: Nov 27th 2010 at 7:53:40 PM

See, I thought she was a Fox anchor just reporting. I have no idea why I (or anyone else) should be expected to recognize who this is. That is a major problem for this pic.

edited 27th Nov '10 7:56:40 PM by Leaper

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#21: Nov 27th 2010 at 8:00:43 PM

"A little background..."

A good image makes sense with no background whatsoever. (Bonus Points if context makes it even more appropriate.)

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
petrie911 Since: Aug, 2009
#22: Nov 27th 2010 at 8:06:52 PM

It's JAFAAC. I don't know who that person is, and there's no indication that what she's saying is even inaccurate. It doesn't even specify which game she's talking about. Long story short, the image is bad, and worse than no image at all.

Also, it seems I posted an incomplete version of the sunset comic. Here's the complete version. The second panel alone is probably best, as mentioned before.

Of course, it's entirely possible that this article would be better off without an image. But I still like Calvin's dad for it.

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#23: Nov 28th 2010 at 3:19:57 AM

Images from Cheers or Peanuts would be Fan Myopia, they would work even less well than any JAFAAC image you could criticize.

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mmysqueeant I'm A Dirty Cowboy from Essairrrrcks Since: Oct, 2010
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#24: Nov 28th 2010 at 5:41:32 AM

It does make sense with the "SE"Xbox? in-pic caption alone, imo. I got it, anyway, without familiarity with Fox News beyond Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck clips.

Can't imagine a more clear, less fan myopic image being chosen.

However, I gather there's a backlash amongst some tropers against Fox News hate, amongst other right-wingers seen as Acceptable Targets. Could this image be seen as part of the liberal trend, whether it be real or imagined, on this site?

If so, then I'd recommend a change.

DoktorvonEurotrash Lex et Veritas from Not a place of honour (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#25: Nov 28th 2010 at 7:26:32 AM

The picture is horrible. I'd heard about that debacle, and I still didn't connect it to the picture. It's still better than Just A Face And A Caption, but not much.

edited 28th Nov '10 7:27:14 AM by DoktorvonEurotrash


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