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ShirowShirow More Dread from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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Feb 3rd 2019 at 4:07:24 PM

''I know but what is the process' are we talking high level quests because that's bad but are we talking Gacha hell because that's bad too I don;t knoooow.

Bleye knows Sabers.
Feb 3rd 2019 at 4:31:48 PM

Some social media campaign. We're also not too sure what all those mean either. If we reach 20k Likes/Retweets/Shares/whatevers, everyone get a free 4* Bayonetta.

Feb 3rd 2019 at 4:47:58 PM

Whats the twitter accounts for both versions?

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Feb 5th 2019 at 6:24:47 PM

I do not know, to be honest. I wonder how people would take a remake of Digital Devil Saga 1 having Vishuddha be fully explorable and with new enemies that only appear there...

ShirowShirow More Dread from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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Feb 14th 2019 at 10:46:14 AM

Free Bayonetta has been given out, permanently taking a spot on my team.

No SMTV news on the direct though that's a shame.

Edited by ShirowShirow on Feb 14th 2019 at 1:59:56 PM

Bleye knows Sabers.
Feb 14th 2019 at 11:23:07 AM

News on Shin Megami Tensei V in the Direct was always a bit of a stretch. Still, hoping to at least get some info before E3.

Feb 14th 2019 at 12:50:17 PM

Aside from Bayo, you'll also get a free Jeanne for completing the event story, and a Beloved which can be bought from the Halo exchange.

Also Jeanne introduces herself as a teacher whilst in her full witch outfit, which is kinda hilarious.

Edited by asterism on Feb 14th 2019 at 8:51:00 PM

Feb 14th 2019 at 4:39:33 PM

I like how SMT Angels can autodetect witches. That's great.

Also I knew Gakuto was a masochist considering the Idol hes a fan of but hes full M before Bayonetta.

Feb 14th 2019 at 5:19:18 PM

And Ririn is head over heels for her, too. Not unexpected.

It's infuriating that there's no Trial Summons this time, though. They really want that cash. Beloved is okay but the 4* Witches are crap.

At least we get an actual event this time.

vicarious vicarious from NC, USA
Feb 15th 2019 at 12:07:41 AM

Ch. 4 of Dx 2 got real dark

I actually like this game

ShirowShirow More Dread from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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Feb 17th 2019 at 12:23:03 AM

I got a 5★ Bayonetta so as far as I'm concerned I've already beaten the game.

Bleye knows Sabers.
Feb 17th 2019 at 2:08:56 AM

My luck failed me with the witches but I got Vishnu to soothe the wounds a bit

Feb 17th 2019 at 2:13:03 AM

I got Bayonetta with one of her best colors. Only 4 Star Jeannes though.

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CybranGeneralSturm Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Feb 22nd 2019 at 4:29:47 AM

Okay, this idea has been bugging me for some time, but if Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne gets remade again here's something that Atlus could implement into the game aside from Raidou replacing Dante: Amala Grave Run EX

On a New Game+, there would be new burial chambers in every Kalpa of the Labyrinth of Amala. These new burial chambers would all contain gravestones for the bosses that weren't in the original game, so you now get to fight all of the Fiends again. The new burial chamber in the first Kalpa would have gravestones for these two bosses along with the maximum turn count to clear in order to make the number turn red in parentheses:

Fiend Matador (5 turns)

Fiend Daisoujou (5 turns)

Second Kalpa's new burial chamber would have these three bosses:

Fiend Hell Biker (10 turns)

Fiend White Rider (10 turns)

Fiend Red Rider (10 turns)

Third's Kalpa's new burial chamber would have these three bosses:

Fiend Black Rider (10 turns)

Raidou Kuzunoha (15 turns)

Fiend Pale Rider (15 turns)

Fourth Kalpa's new burial chamber would have these three bosses:

Fiend Mother Harlot (20 turns)

Fiend Trumpeter (20 turns)

Tyrant Beelzebub (30 turns)

Lastly, the Fifth Kalpa's new burial chamber would have these two bosses:

Seraph Metatron (35 turns)

Devil Lucifer (50 turns)

The new burial chamber in the First Kalpa would also have a Kali who has a special reward for if the Amala Grave Run EX is cleared: a third press turn for the Demi-fiend and the Dark Pledge conversation skill that automatically gets added to the talk sub-menu without needing a skill slot for it like his demons.

ShirowShirow More Dread from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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Feb 23rd 2019 at 1:12:58 AM

Ya'll put some thought into that one.

I still need to beat Nocturne. Would buy it again in a jiffy if it was released on the PS 4... Actually, I have P5 to play too. I put it off because I assumed they where gonna announce a Switch version with Joker in Smash but that hasn't happened yet.

Anyways, I beat the Bayonetta event in Dx 2 and it was... Kind of awesome? Pretty much everything I wanted from it. The Bayo crew where definitely in character. Ririn makes a sly nod to Jeanne and Cereza being a lesbian couple. Rika marvels at Rodin's gunsmithing. Gakuto is used as a projectile and footrest. It was a riot from start to finish.

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Nouct Professional Lurker from No longer in the superior time zone Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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Mar 4th 2019 at 8:35:06 AM

There's a Devil May Cry crossover coming for DX 2

finally dante and bayonetta are in the same game [lol]

"This is tremendous content, where's my phone"
Mar 4th 2019 at 8:40:35 AM

Demi-Fiend andRaidou event when. Let the Four unite,

Mar 4th 2019 at 5:30:40 PM

SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI Liberation: Dx2 — Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry Series & Bayonetta

Man, it's gonna be fun fielding a team of Dante and Bayonetta and allies

Edited by AzureSeas on Mar 4th 2019 at 8:30:52 AM

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Mar 5th 2019 at 4:53:44 AM

Good to see that someone liked the thought that I put into the Amala Grave Run EX idea. Now here's the locations of these new Burial Chambers:

First Kalpa: B2 in the northeast corner of the room that you have to reach by going through Damage Floors.

Second Kalpa: B1 in the southeast corner of the map.

Third Kalpa: 1F in the easternmost part of the section where the doors test the Demi-fiend's magic stat.

Fourth Kalpa: Hell's Maze in the southeast corner (the area with the room where you find the spirit of Futomimi would have a two-way door on the southern wall which is the door to the Burial Chamber).

Fifth Kalpa: B1 in the westernmost part of the map.

Nikkolas Politically Confused from Texas Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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Mar 5th 2019 at 1:34:50 PM

So I did this thread on Reddit where I put forward my case that Neutral, despite the hype, is no more humanist or egalitarian than Law and Chaos.

I mainly just wanted to hear counterarguments and I got one I really like. That is:

Me: You make an excellent point, thank you. But what about the fact YHWH always returns? And

Dodger 944: The fact that they're both brought back every time is proof enough in itself that humanity desires both Law and Chaos, and that eradicating either would be against their will.

So I am convinced Neutral is the most...democratic option in the games. Doesn't mean it's the most moral but I know some people would equate being the most democratic and least coercive with being the most moral or just so I can at least see their viewpoint now.

Nikkolas Politically Confused from Texas Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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Mar 6th 2019 at 12:14:02 AM

Last bit of rambling I swear.

The unfortunate reality is that Neutral is just...the normal world. Death, wars, disease, natural disasters, genocide...these are the things in a normal human world. Lives will be lost and blood will be shed in a Neutral Path, too.

That's why I reduced it down to the argument about coercion and force. That's the area where Neutral has the clearest high ground.

I think Atlus does believe that that the truth lies in the middle. Everything from SMT to Persona seems to me to have a unifying message of "Optimistic Humanist Status Quo-Ism." I was once told the difference between shitty genre fiction and real art is when the dragons and goblins mean something.

So what is Atlus really saying when you strip away all the magic and angels and shit? What does Shin Megami Tensei and Persona say about the real world? Take the "right" response when you fight Merkabah in Apocalypse and you get:

"I fight for a world without bias."

Merkabah: A world without bias... Is that not by its very nature a world without stability? There is no salvation in such a world — only pain and difficulty.

Gaston: But it does not end there. We are drawn to what lies beyond hardships.[/spoiler]

I'm fairly certain the fact Law promises a Thousand Year Kingdom is no coincidence. A reich that last a millennium. The 20th Century was called in a lecture I listened to a a century of "Utopia and Terror.". From the Nazis to Mao, it was a century built on the idea that with enough force and bodies, a perfect state was possible. We just had to give in and let it happen.

SMT and Persona reject this. They are aggressively anti-Utopian. Law and even Chaos are presented as "easy" outs and escapes to that fabled utopia. But both roads are dead-ends. Conversely, if we stand on our own two feet, we are in for a lot of suffering and failure. But that suffering will be endured and that failure will lead to success and in the end will be a world better than either Law or Chaos can offer. But make no mistake about it, all those bad things I listed earlier will happen but Neutral's opinion is that they are worth it.

That's my interpretation of these games anyway. To be frank, it's in a lot of Japanese media I read and watch and play. Xenosaga and Xenogears is even bigger on this idea. We can only help ourselves and find meaning in ourselves.

Also over the course of these discussions somebody said the people of Mikado have no agency either just like the folks in an SJ Law Ending. They cited the fact Lilith's Books turned random people into demons due to their rage at their situation and also the supposed fact these were totally normal books. Except we have SMTIV's Neutral Ending and all of SMTIVA to prove this wrong. The people of Mikado clearly can rebel and go on living their lives without being made into monsters. I have no idea what was up with those books.

Edited by Nikkolas on Mar 6th 2019 at 12:14:33 PM

Nikkolas Politically Confused from Texas Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Politically Confused
Mar 6th 2019 at 10:56:21 PM

I really do have to wonder if any SMT game has done a worse job of making a case for any alignment than Strange Journey and Chaos. The original SJ was my first SMT game and while I was later very tempted by Chaos in both Nocturne (to the extent it exists there) and SMTIV and Apocalypse, I wasn't even vaguely interested in Chaos as it was presented in SJ.

To begin with, the plot is you vs. Chaos. Every dungeon is Chaos, every boss is Chaos. Chaos is not just some vague existential threat, Chaos is a personal threat to you constantly. They might lecture you too and you can even agree with them but then they're like "good, you understand. Now let me cave in your skull!" I suppose a possible rebuttal is that Chaos is all about individualism and violence and these fights teach you that. But I am reminded of Dagda's opposition to Lucifer here. Even Chaos individualism is still placing you within a wider system. Whether you are on the top or bottom, you are still connected with all other beings via this Chaos hierarchy. As such, Chaos, in its own warped way, is very inclusive but the Chaos bosses of SJ are incredibly exclusionary.

Then there's Jimenez, our Chaos Rep for the game. The most significant thing about Jimenez is the fact he helped Bugaboo. Who is Bugaboo? A weak demon who was horribly abused by stronger demons. Do I need to spell out the problems here given Jimenez later adopted a philosophy all about it being right and necessary for the strong to abuse the weak? Our Chaos Rep is an uncharismatic hypocrite.

And then Lucifer shows up a handful of times randomly. Um, yay? Was that supposed to persuade anyone?

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