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LedWalrus Since: Jun, 2009
#51: Nov 17th 2009 at 7:43:11 AM

The fact that Trinity didn't kill the deer, even though it would have been the right thing to do, most certainly exonerates him. If he is so stringent about his own personal code, he wouldn't do something as drastic as two shootings.

Also, Masuka's gun would have killed Deb given that it's a .44 Mag. Normally TV shows have shitty ballistics but given the quasi-CSI nature of the show, something like that would not have slipped through the cracks. Of course, unless Masuka just used a smaller gun....

I didn't think about the re-whore-ter at all. That's some good wild mass guess I must say. It certainly would be some payoff for that whole Quinn subplot.

I was actually half-expecting Dexter to do Trinity this episode. Miguel was killed off before his season ended, so it wouldn't be far fetched for Trinity to go early too. (It would be cheaper to let JL go earlier too, I would suspect).

edited 17th Nov '09 7:43:59 AM by Led Walrus

Dracomicron Since: Jan, 2001
#52: Nov 17th 2009 at 8:24:14 AM

Trinity might go down before the final episode, but I don't think that it would be before things get a bit stickier on the manhunt issue. I also suspect that the issue of Dexter killing the wrong guy isn't quite over yet.

My personal wild mass guess: there's at least one other killer in Trinity's family. The wife or daughter might be Masuka's height. The wife especially makes sense, because if she knows about her husband's killing, she might have cause to take out Lundy after whoreporter's big block letter headline about him.

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#53: Nov 17th 2009 at 9:36:51 AM

I'll get into the game myself: Who hasn't been on the show for the past few episodes, and would have had a very good reason to be intensely angry with both Deb and Lundy? Anton. The only problem with this is, I can't remember how tall Anton is supposed to be.

I think I like the theory in the post above mine better, anyway.

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LedWalrus Since: Jun, 2009
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#55: Nov 17th 2009 at 9:45:02 AM

Oooh. Interesting theory... Anton is kinda distinctive, though; Lundy did meet him, right? Deb said that Lundy didn't react to anyone behind her before he got shot; seems like he would've at least done a double-take if the boyfriend of the girl he just banged was approaching.

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Janitor chemistry dork from Berne, Switzerland Since: Jan, 2001
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#56: Nov 17th 2009 at 11:51:02 AM

Starting to like the wild mass guess in post #52. We were given hints in the coming-next-week about certain abuses which might lead to pathological behaviors... So, I'm liking the wife. Delusional enabling being a feature of abusive relationships, and all.

edited 17th Nov '09 11:54:37 AM by Janitor

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Dracomicron Since: Jan, 2001
#57: Nov 17th 2009 at 12:02:42 PM

I actually was thinking about that possibility well before, actually. Dexter's whole revelation that Trinity hides in plain sight makes even more sense if his family actually knows about (and possibly shares) his habits. It also allows the establishment of the premise that Rita might eventually learn about Dexter's hobby and not turn Dexter in right away.

The way Trinity talked about a previous relationship that ended before he met his wife, it might have been one of those Dexter Subtext Specials that really meant that his current wife murdered his ex and they realized that they were soulmates 4EVAH.

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Janitor chemistry dork from Berne, Switzerland Since: Jan, 2001
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#58: Nov 22nd 2009 at 6:57:00 PM

Just for the record, the show is SO GOOD!

If that wasn't a Wham Episode, there never will be one.

edited 22nd Nov '09 7:05:32 PM by Janitor

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Nabi Knight of Heart Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
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#59: Nov 23rd 2009 at 7:44:03 AM

Holy wow that was great. Enough that, feeling the need to discuss it, I've come to the forums for the first time. Though given the cliffhanger at the end there, the wild mass guess that the re-whore-ter shot Deb and Lundy might have some weight.

Very glad I kept with this series. Season three disappointed me, but this might turn out to be my favorite if this keeps up.

Dracomicron Since: Jan, 2001
#60: Nov 23rd 2009 at 8:47:51 AM

Well, that revelation at the end means that it's almost certain that Re-whore-ter is either the shooter or specifically sent the message that Lundy needed to be shot to Mrs. Trinity or her Little Nympho Sister Trinity. It's very possible that Re-whore-ter is not Mrs. Trinity's daughter, but was from the previous relationship that Trinity mentioned to Kyle Butler.

I'm getting annoyed at the Rita/Random Neighbor Guy subplot. Dude, Dexter whacked a guy for taking pictures of his kids, you do NOT want to move in on his woman.

"The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules." - E. Gary Gygax
LedWalrus Since: Jun, 2009
#61: Nov 25th 2009 at 10:44:14 AM

I felt that the reveal that Trinity is a crazy, abusive father was very poorly telegraphed. I mean, it's plausible that a serial killer father acts like that but the show made it very clear that his family was what was keeping him sane all this time. And why didn't Dexter notice the locks on Rebecca's room the first time he cased the joint?

Deb's latest epiphany is yet another middle finger to the investigative abilities of Special Agent Rockstar.

Re-whore-ter's Trinity you are my father moment I have no complaints about. And it gives me great hope that her last nude scene will be covered in plastic wrap. However, I was half expecting at that last scene that Trinity was going to restart his cycle with her as the first victim.

And I'm touched that you guys stuck with the name "Re-whore-ter."

Dracomicron Since: Jan, 2001
#62: Nov 25th 2009 at 11:29:17 AM

It flows better off the tongue than "whoreporter" (though that one, I think, is cleverer from a purely written standpoint).

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Dracomicron Since: Jan, 2001
#63: Nov 30th 2009 at 8:27:16 AM

Bwa ha ha. We were right. It seems unlikely that re-whore-ter will end up on Dexter's table with what the cops know about her now, but but it's good to let Deb get some closure on who shot her.

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LedWalrus Since: Jun, 2009
#64: Dec 1st 2009 at 10:22:30 AM

I would be tempted to say that this new reveal about Quad/Trinity is yet another middle finger to the investigative abilities of Lundy, but it's hard to find a boy encased in cement unless you know what you're looking for. Even Dexter was caught by surprise.

Nice that they remembered that Deb investigating Harry's previous CI's is more than a trivial plot point. Given that Laura Moser's photo had the identification part shredded, it will still take some doings to make the jump from Harry's CI's —-> Dexter's killings.

There were two things that irked me, though:

1. Dexter's new Supervillain Lair. Wouldn't it have been easier to rebuild the shed instead of rent a new place? I thought the reason he had the shed in the first place was to engage in his felonious acts in slightly less secretive manner. When (not if) Rita and co. find this place, Dexter is in for a shitstorm.

2. Quadrinity took Christine to one of his kills. Careless, much? Even more careless is patching up this kill by telling her it was All Just a Dream.

I don't really mind that Quadrinity and Christine have this relationship, but the timing could not have been any worse. Were it telegraphed in her behaviour earlier it would have been plausible, but the show built her up as a re-whore-ter so much that the reveal feels like it comes from left field. The last two episodes can maybe clear all this crap up, but given that the previews show that Quadrinity learns about Dexter's "Kyle Butler" lie it's not likely that they can.

Speaking of previews, I hope this "final twist" next episode isn't some soap opera bullcrap.

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#65: Dec 1st 2009 at 10:05:14 PM

wild mass guessI'm not the only one who think that the re-whore-ter is going to take a bath with daddy, am I?

edited 1st Dec '09 10:06:13 PM by Oscredwin

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LedWalrus Since: Jun, 2009
#66: Dec 1st 2009 at 10:18:03 PM

I thought that would happen, too—both in this episode and the one before it.

I think it's too late in the season to have Arthur restart the cycle which was technically subverted by Dexter. However, my votes for the next Trinity victims are—

Sister: Re-whore-ter or Deb. The former would be more plot-convenient while the latter would spring Dexter into action. But since Dexter is wise to the kill cycle, he probably wouldn't let Trinity touch her.

Mother: Mrs. Mitchell or Rita. Again, the former is more plot convenient. Rita... wouldn't fit Trinity's formual of "mother of two" but... let's face it, I really hate Rita and wish she would die.

Father: Dexter or Batista. Given that the series will have at least one more season, (and given that Dexter is a seasoned martial artist) Dexter will most likely survive this confrontation. Batista, if he dies, will at last wrap up this pointless romantic subplot for good (notice that after season 2, La Guerta never even mentions Doakes by name, EVER AGAIN). Again, it must be noted that neither Dexter nor Batista fit Trinity's profile as both are fathers of only one child.

My guess about this "last twist of the season" is that it will somehow tie in Trinity with Harry's past.

Dracomicron Since: Jan, 2001
#67: Dec 4th 2009 at 7:29:52 AM

Honestly, the La Guerta/Angel relationship stuff doesn't bother me. They've always had some chemistry, even going back to the first season.

They're being morons about it, though.

edited 4th Dec '09 7:30:02 AM by Dracomicron

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Oscredwin Cold. from The Frozen East Since: Jan, 2001
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#68: Dec 4th 2009 at 11:33:55 AM

Never be surprised that people in love (or just in lust) are morons. It's a universal truth, and the most realistic part of the Twilight book.

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Dracomicron Since: Jan, 2001
#69: Dec 7th 2009 at 6:42:55 AM

Wow. I never thought I'd side with Cap'n Matthews against La Guerta and Angel, but he was right, and they were being assholes.

Also: Trinity is a scary fucker. Even Dexter is goddamn terrified of him now.

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LedWalrus Since: Jun, 2009
#70: Dec 8th 2009 at 12:21:38 AM

So the big payoff of Angel x La Guerta is to mess up Dexter's scheme? Well... at least it's something.

I think Matthews still has a case against the two for breach of affidavit. Race-baiting doesn't change the fact that their marriage was performed after the fact—just look at the damn date on the certificate and compare it to the one on the affadavit.

I thought the "last twist of the season" was supposed to be at the end of the episode, but the preview already gave it away. This is a case of both Trailers Always Spoil and Never Trust a Trailer.

I'd be surprised if they pick up on the Harry subplot and REALLY surprised if they remember that Dexter knows he's Rita's third husband.

Dracomicron Since: Jan, 2001
#71: Dec 8th 2009 at 6:30:01 AM

Yeah, Matthews still has a case, but I doubt he'll pursue it unless they aggravate him further. He's a politician and knows when there's Mutually Assured Destruction in the making.

I don't think this show forgets its plot points, per se, but it does let some things drop intentionally, which can suck and be sad.

I'm pouring a forty on the ground for Brother "Motherfucking" Doakes.

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LedWalrus Since: Jun, 2009
#72: Dec 8th 2009 at 2:34:08 PM

The brilliant part of this finale is that Quadrinity doesn't need to kill anyone in order to ruin Dexter's life. All he has to say is "Dexter is a fraud who tried to kill me in front of my family" and it will work. Quadrinity may be evil, but he has witnesses on his side.

The season isn't over yet, but I think I can say that the good thing about season 4 versus season 3 is that while both have the same premises Plot driven by Dexter's mistake, season 4 develops it farther Dexter's refusal to kill Quadrinity leads to more errors to the point that when he commits to killing him he makes even more while season 3 railroads itself with a tangent plot.

Dracomicron Since: Jan, 2001
#73: Dec 9th 2009 at 8:13:58 AM

Eh, Season 3 was all character development; I happened to love the Camilla parts more than anything they did in Season 2 (well, except for Doakes and Dexter teaming up to take down drug dealers). The Miguel/Dexter mind games were also very compelling (and it's something that this season doesn't have nearly as much of).

Every season so far has brought something very different to the table, which can only be good, as far as I'm concerned.

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#74: Dec 9th 2009 at 10:17:55 AM

In my estimation John Lightgow is the MVP of this season. At nearly every turn he has managed to ratchet up the "creepy factor" in a way that no Dexter villain has ever done.

Dexter *has* to kill Trinity now... not to feed his compulsion or to atone for his mistakes earlier in the season, but simply as a matter of survival. I'm truly looking forward to seeing how the showdown between the two gets resolved.

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Razputin Razzle Dazzle from Louisiana Since: May, 2009
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#75: Dec 13th 2009 at 7:39:29 PM

Jesus Christ, I did NOT see that coming. The finale was just... so depressing. I appreciate their attempt to be unpredictable, but that was just a little bit too... awful. Oh my GOD that was just terrible.

Poor, poor Rita. At it had to happen in the most terrible way possible... I hate Trinity now. Hate. They had to go through all that touchy crap before-hand too... I hope Rita gets to be Dexter's second Harry or something.

Gah, I'm a bit incoherant at the moment.

edited 13th Dec '09 7:44:00 PM by Razputin

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