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Twilightdusk Since: Jan, 2001
#26: Oct 16th 2010 at 9:31:13 PM

The only issue with that is that it makes the anger over these items (see, cloudsong) seem entirely unjustified.

Imagine you're in some sort of (IRL) contest, where various competitors have to find some hidden object and return it to the starting point for some sort of prize. You happen to find this item and excitedly start heading back to the start point, only for someone to steal the item from you while nobody's looking. They then turn it in for the prize that you rightfully (if through pure luck) earned. You'd be pretty angry right?

Now take that above situation and make it all take place on an MMO, that tends to be the situation. The items not existing in Real Life doesn't make them any less valuable to the people fighting over it, it seems a bit over reactionary to an outside observer but if you think about it in the context in which the item exists, the attitude is entirely justified.

BlackWolfe Viewer Gender Confusion? from Lost in Austin Since: Jun, 2010
#27: Oct 17th 2010 at 1:40:58 AM

How about Entirely Too Rare?

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Rhatahema Since: Sep, 2010
#28: Oct 17th 2010 at 2:58:09 AM

Drop Of Discord? Dangerously Desirable Drop? Spoils Of Strife?

Although I like Fighting Over Rare Pixels, it's probably unnecessary finger-wagging to MMO Fanatics (though I can't imagine how they find time for MM Os and TV Tropes.)

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#29: Oct 17th 2010 at 3:06:06 AM

Eh, as an MMO fanatic I don't find it too insulting. Most of us look down on "drama" in the first place, so looking down on the kinds of people who do this is appropriate.

Although the "pixels" thing always annoys me, but that's a separate complaint.

Edit: Actually, they call it Loot Drama in World Of Warcraft, so maybe that's a possibility.

edited 17th Oct '10 3:07:23 AM by Clarste

Twilightdusk Since: Jan, 2001
#30: Oct 17th 2010 at 7:08:26 AM

^ That does seem to be a pre-existing term on World Of Warcraft. Given that World Of Warcraft is the most well known MMO out there, I think using the term that its fanbase uses for this would be appropriate.

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#31: Oct 17th 2010 at 7:11:46 AM

Loot Drama. Looooooot Draaaaaaaaamah! I like it. It's got a good beat and you can dance to it.tongue Seriously, I like it. The onl;y question I have is, is it too broad? Or do we want to broaden the definition from incredibly rare drops to something more inclusive?

edited 17th Oct '10 7:13:10 AM by Madrugada

Twilightdusk Since: Jan, 2001
#32: Oct 17th 2010 at 7:24:10 AM

well, look according to the description:

And finally, it has to cause a ton of drama. Typically, the negative actions that players partake in to get this item will overrule any positive benefit the item gives. While the other rules can be stretched, this is required.

So, if this trope is being used to mean just "This item is incredibly rare," that's misuse of the trope.

edited 17th Oct '10 7:26:42 AM by Twilightdusk

G-Mon Professional Lurker from ...Wait, I know this.... Since: Jan, 2001
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#33: Oct 17th 2010 at 4:38:18 PM

Ooh, I like Loot Drama. Nice and short, easily usable in a sentence, pretty descriptive of the phenomenon. If we get consensus to rename, I would support this as the main title; adding as a redirect in the meantime.

DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#34: Oct 17th 2010 at 5:16:22 PM

Hmm.. Loot Drama works, but there's still something missing... Something to let people know that it's an MMO or multiplayer game thing. Drama itself isn't always just people fighting over something. It can be literally anything that invokes an emotional response from a player. Fighting Over Rare Pixels at least indicates that it's about something that would draw the ire of a player in a video game.

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#35: Oct 17th 2010 at 6:41:18 PM

Once again, is this MMO only, or is this ANYTHING that is rare and causes people to fight over it? Because tanks in FPS are definitely an example if it's the latter.

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DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#36: Oct 17th 2010 at 6:57:00 PM

Well, so far, the only examples are of MM Os, not FPS games.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#37: Oct 17th 2010 at 9:22:25 PM

TF 2's Golden Wrenches, but TF 2 is borrowing heavily from MM Os in their new item system. I would say that it's ok to include all multiplayer games, it's just found most in MM Os

Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#38: Oct 17th 2010 at 9:40:30 PM

Loot Drama is good although I have seen Loot Drama start over rather inane epics just weeks before everything gets replaced with an Xpac.

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#39: Oct 17th 2010 at 9:50:50 PM

I think it should be at least something that has some sense of permanence. While you might get annoyed at someone who hogs the tank in an FPS, that'll reset for the next game. With Loot Drama, you might hate someone forever, they'll get blacklisted from servers, real death threats from internet stalkers, etc etc. I'd call that quite different.

DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#40: Oct 17th 2010 at 9:57:55 PM

^ I agree completely. This is a trope that truly draws ire and hatred out of players. Something they don't forget or won't let go for a while. Just because someone gets a special weapon during an FPS match doesn't mean anything compared to the hours, days, weeks, MONTHS a player may spend just trying to get one rare item, and then have it taken away from some random passer-by who only wants to sell it for money. FPS matches reset, which means that special weapon is obtained numerous times a day, so finding it doesn't mean as much.

Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#41: Oct 17th 2010 at 10:02:22 PM

Yeah one particular example I remember quite well was one the first person to get both the The Twin Blades of Azzinoth on my server which was fought over to no end between the Rogues and Warriors on who should get it first, He server transferred the next day... The whole server was up in arms over it not just the guild.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#42: Oct 17th 2010 at 10:41:58 PM

Loot Drama sounds like a couple of old school pirates fighting over a treasure chest. It doesn't sound like it has anything to do with video games.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#43: Oct 18th 2010 at 9:33:39 AM

Do we have enough to start an alt name crowner running?

Chimaera Doctor Where Since: Aug, 2010
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#44: Oct 25th 2010 at 12:40:07 PM

I just thought of another possible name. How about Sword of Flaming? (Pun on Flaming Sword and people flaming each other over the item) Just throwing it out there.

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Camacan from Australiatown Since: Jan, 2001
#46: Oct 25th 2010 at 9:58:24 PM

MMO Loot Drama — even if it not restricted to MMOs the name is not misleading as to the sort of thing we mean: short, snappy, in general use and not confusable with pirates. Or cows, spelt correctly.

(I was thinking of MM Oh The Loot Drama but that's a tad too long.)

edited 27th Oct '10 5:00:29 PM by Camacan

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#47: Oct 25th 2010 at 10:03:14 PM

Cant Split The Loot

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#49: Oct 25th 2010 at 11:28:54 PM

Loot Drama sounds fine. Trying to be more specific just adds clunk.

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Antheia Whatever of Breath (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
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#50: Oct 26th 2010 at 6:00:04 AM

I thought this was about the item that causes the drama, not the drama itself?

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