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#801: Oct 22nd 2020 at 5:15:47 PM

Just leaving this here to clear up a misconception. While it wasn't a Marry Them All ending, the final Epilogue 4koma's elaborated that while Moka is the main girl, she is willing to share with Kurumu and Mizore so long as Tsukune consents, so it worked out for them. Yukari meanwhile got with Fangfang.

The 4koma's actually reveal a lot about the fates of most of the cast, namely:

  • Gin graduated and currently works at the same resort San does, with Kurumu having pushed him to do it after he was too indecisive.
  • Kokoa and Haji are officially "Going Out"... though it seems neither of them know what that actually means since they mainly think it involves going all out sparring.
  • A Flash Forward shows that Fangfang becomes the second coming of Toho Fuhai and leads his family to greatness with Yukari at his side, but in the present he's still the Butt-Monkey of the Newspaper Club, though at least Yukari is more open to helping him.
  • Kahlua made a full recovery thanks to Alucards blood and Aqua leads the Shuzen family now, the two of them trying to refrain from killing their enemies to please Moka.
  • Hokuto is still in a coma, whilst Kiria keeps tending to him... but also screws with him by dressing his unconscious body in cosplay. Kuyou is surprised by his behavior none the less.
Ruby is really the only one left out, since while she and Yukari try to join Kurumu and Mizore in going into Tsukune's dreams after Moka gave the two of them the okay, she isn't brought up outside of that.

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mach56gs Since: Dec, 2019
#802: Nov 23rd 2020 at 4:40:51 PM

[up]Not entirely: Moka was willing to let Mizore and Kurumu to fiddle around with Tsukune in his dreams (Moka even restricted the dreams to "nothing inappropriate for a minor", oof), but revoked her consent once everyone started to pile on. So in terms of canonicity, I view this 4koma as comically inconclusive. It does give the sense that Moka was willing to share, but only in the immaterial world of dreams.

Kurumu and Mizore aren't completely out of the running so-to-speak, but the 4-koma didn't give them a substantial win to work off of. If anything, I would consider the epilogue chapter more substantial for the harem end, because of Issa's advice directed to Tsukune over balancing multiple wives.

But even with all of this, it doesn't change the holistic look at the manga and the clear direction to push the Moka/Tsukune pairing. The concept of harem has always been an element of humor in this manga (See: Mafia Boy).

Edited by mach56gs on Nov 23rd 2020 at 4:56:32 AM

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#803: Nov 23rd 2020 at 7:51:29 PM

Yukari meanwhile got with Fangfang.

I just reread the 4koma epilogue, and there was nothing stating that. The flash-forward showed that Fangfang would rise to greatness with Yukari at his side, aiding with her magic, but that's it. It's a Maybe Ever After at most.

mach56gs Since: Dec, 2019
#804: Nov 24th 2020 at 3:17:21 PM

[up] Looking at Yukari's growing infatuation with Fong-Fong (especially during their fights against Router + Xia-long), I feel there's a strong implication that "by his side" implies that their relationship is pretty serious at that point. Feels like the Maybe-Ever After trope is a bit to general and vague, and while it technically could apply, I feel that it doesn't accurately reflect what we've got in canon.

Edited by mach56gs on Nov 24th 2020 at 3:18:58 AM

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#805: Nov 24th 2020 at 3:37:44 PM

I don't recall any infatuation on her part, only a growing friendship. They did have some bonding moments while fighting enemies together, but so have other members of the main cast.

mach56gs Since: Dec, 2019
#806: Nov 25th 2020 at 1:00:53 PM

[up]Eh, I dunno, there was a pretty clear noticeable blush once Fang-Fang came in defense of Yukari. Hell, even Xia-Long refers to Yukari as Fang-Fang's [['partner']] and compares them to Fang-Fang's ma and pa. Like the Strong Family Resemblance trope, but for romantic couples. Not familiar enough with Tv Tropes to find the correctly accurate trope for this, but I think you get where I'm steering at.

Edited by mach56gs on Nov 26th 2020 at 11:01:58 AM

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#807: Nov 25th 2020 at 2:40:02 PM

"Partner" can mean a lot of things, and in this context, where he was fighting against the two of them, it was clearly in the sense of "teammate". Likewise, the comparison to Fangfang's parents was about their combat abilities, being such a powerful martial artist and summoner team. I forgot about the blush though.

mach56gs Since: Dec, 2019
#808: Nov 25th 2020 at 10:58:24 PM

[up] I mean, sure, it's not explicitly romantic and you can read it in a different direction... but why? To say that the comparison between Yukari and Fang-Fang and Fang-Fang parents "only applies to fighting styles" is a pretty arbitrary restriction: With the blush in mind and the broad context of the story, it seems pretty clear what the writer was trying to communicate to us (Especially in this genre, which is much more coy in how it presents ships).

SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#809: Nov 26th 2020 at 12:48:03 AM

[up][up][up]Are those links to a scanlation sites, as it is against site rules to link to it if they are?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#810: Nov 26th 2020 at 10:57:16 AM

The romantic ties between Fong-Fong and Yukari are pretty heavily hinted by the end, let's be honest.

Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#811: Nov 26th 2020 at 1:02:48 PM

[up] That was my impression as well. And let us be honest, Yukari's crush on Tsukune and Moka was always rather shallow compared to the others.

drac0blade Since: Jan, 2015
#812: Nov 26th 2020 at 6:23:54 PM

What I would have really liked is an epilogue where Tsukune meets his human family after being turned into a vampire. Moka could be all worried they'll reject him, because it's her fault he's become a vampire, but after some shenanigans it all works out.

Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#813: Nov 26th 2020 at 6:30:05 PM

I am still in general sore about the lack of proper closure, although this thread has made me feel a little bit better about the end. I am just expecting more from such a long-running series.

mach56gs Since: Dec, 2019
#814: Nov 26th 2020 at 11:06:42 PM

[up]Definitely agree, 'specially since it was such a good series - but if the events of Season II give any sort of hint, it feels as though Rosario Vampire clearly changed course and started to push towards an ending in a rather aggressive way - I feel that it was axed or rushed to a conclusion, leading to a rather short and single-chapter epilogue.

Which is a shame. It's not a terrible conclusion and as odious as other axed manga, but the epilogue does leave you wanting so much more.

I have removed the infringement, thanks @Sebastian Gray for catching me.

drac0blade Since: Jan, 2015
#815: Nov 29th 2020 at 9:18:07 PM

I've been re-reading this series. It's interesting how Kurumu slowly grows from Moka's first, most intense rival for Tsukune's affection, to Moka's best friend and the heart of the whole group — while still being Moka's biggest rival in the harem.

Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#816: Nov 30th 2020 at 12:10:08 PM

[up] This is just my theory, but t may have been this growth combined with the very sympathic portrayal of Moka's rivals that caused this relatively open-end instead of a proper romantic resolution, because the author either couldn't bring himself to end the other relationships, or he did not want to offend fans of the other pairings.

R+V was really good when it came to emphasizing with the other love interests, despite the fact that it was always clear that Moka was the only one Tsukune was interested in (is there a trope for the obvious winner in a harem series?). I remember that in the knowledge of what would surely happen, I felt quite bad about Kurumu when she risked her life saving Tsukune after he almost turned into a monster.

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#818: Nov 30th 2020 at 12:30:34 PM

Weird to recall how they were all introduced as basically villains at first.

mach56gs Since: Dec, 2019
#819: Nov 30th 2020 at 6:02:42 PM

Re: Supporting Harem and development.

Honestly, I think it was more of a problem that Ikeda made the rest of the supporting cast so well-thought-out and enjoyable, with coherent and compelling development throughout the story.

Even if Kurumu's arc was about learning to appreciate friendship and deal with unrequited love, that only furthers her appeal as becoming a genuinely good person people would enjoy. It's only natural it would be hard to break up the harem when you enjoy all of the characters.

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#820: Nov 30th 2020 at 7:34:01 PM

Or, as i discovered with High School dxd, not break up the harem at all. wink

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#821: Dec 1st 2020 at 2:45:27 AM

RE: Best girl.

Kurume for me.

Because over the year, I got very monkey-brained and come on, a big breasted succubus who would be so dedicated to you. How the hell do you beat that?

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#822: Dec 1st 2020 at 8:48:58 AM

I don't think it was rushed. The series was, to my knowledge, very popular. My theory is Ikeda wanted to give some conclusion but also leave it open to return one day if he chose.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
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#823: Dec 1st 2020 at 1:19:05 PM

I remember what I found so impressive about this series was mostly how the story never really pretended that Moka wasn't going to be the main girl but rather how the entire harem casts react towards it & how they still managed to be friends despite it. I don't necessarily believe it's deconstructive as its own page makes it out to be, but that doesn't really change how much I enjoyed the series back in the day. Too bad I can't say the same about the anime.

drac0blade Since: Jan, 2015
#824: Dec 1st 2020 at 10:46:14 PM

[up][up] There's certainly plenty of room for the story to go if he does come back. Tsukune officially becomes a vampire, the masquerade is broken beyond repair, Fairy Tale is still out there, and Tsukune hasn't even graduated high school yet.

[up] Yeah, the anime took one look at the manga's story and character development, and promptly threw it out to fit in more panty shots. Ikeda kept the inside of Inner Moka's skirt either a void or framed in shadow because he knew it was not the time for tasteless fanservice, but the anime figured tasteless was the only taste.

Edited by drac0blade on Dec 1st 2020 at 10:50:03 AM

Malady (X-Troper)
#825: May 2nd 2021 at 7:37:06 AM

Is there any source for witches being True-Breeding Hybrid? IIRC they're just a type of monster that's strangely reeaallly human looking?

From Witch Species:

Witches were first born of a monster and a human getting it on. They're considered a mongrel species (among those who even know of their beginnings) and tend to be seen as unwanted in both worlds. Not quite confirmed, given that Witches have more in common with monsters than with humans in the setting and that they are referred to as being on the border but never explicitly called a hybrid race.

Is that Repair Dont Respond??

Edited by Malady on May 2nd 2021 at 7:49:46 AM

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