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FreezairForALimitedTime Responsible adult from Planet Claire Since: Jan, 2001
Responsible adult
#101: Oct 10th 2010 at 7:32:03 PM

I'd support Haven. Don't think I would Desertopa, though, as he has made some... curious comments before, that make me wonder if he would be as open as mods are expected to be. The same kind of things that make me iffy about Norn.

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#102: Oct 10th 2010 at 7:34:35 PM

I can get behind Glenn as Mod (Not like that :?P )

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Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy Since: Jan, 2001
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#103: Oct 10th 2010 at 7:35:42 PM

I don't think that Louie would make a good mod. No offense, but humility isn't the only criterion involved.

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SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
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#104: Oct 10th 2010 at 7:58:40 PM

Goggle Fox would make an excellent mod.

Nornagest-and I genuinely mean no offense here-hell no, don't get me wrong, the man is very intelligent, but he seems to have trouble differentiating between things he dislikes and things that are against the rules, I would know, I have the same problem. Plus, I've seen similar people modded before elsewhere, didn't end well.

All in all, I think we need several more moderators, with levels of seniority, but other than Goggle Fox, I can think of no one suitable for the job.

re Karma Meters; the only suitable response I can think of is "lolno".

edited 10th Oct '10 7:59:18 PM by SpainSun

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Ozbourne Part-Time Omen of Death from if it fits, I sits (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#105: Oct 10th 2010 at 7:59:06 PM

I would like Haven and/or GMH as mods.

Stupid doomed timeline...
Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy Since: Jan, 2001
DUMB
#106: Oct 10th 2010 at 7:59:42 PM

I don't thin that Nornagest being a mod is possible in the first place for reasons that have been mentioned (namely, he does enough elsewhere, and why would he want to).

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#107: Oct 10th 2010 at 8:00:35 PM

Absent ban and post edit powers, any person willing to behave as a moderator can do so. By this, I mean they can all encourage others to be civil and not to fall for trolls.

No special appointment is required for this.

I still think the best approach is to convince/remind all forumites that the tenor of the forum is everyone's responsibility.

edited 10th Oct '10 8:01:01 PM by FastEddie

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AnonymousUser Since: Jan, 2001
#108: Oct 10th 2010 at 8:03:42 PM

I try to cool off heated situations, I don't think I'd be a good mod, though, as I usually avoid the more volatile threads.

I like Nornagest, but I don't think I'd get behind him as a mod. I'd think IJBM would get a lot tighter and stricter, for instance.

Goggle Fox comes off like a mod, but she's not around enough for me to tell, I don't think.

I think Glenn Magus Harvey might be good for the job, if he were so inclined. He comes off as an authority figure to me already.

Charlatan Since: Mar, 2011
#109: Oct 10th 2010 at 8:04:12 PM

-*imagines that last line in an Optimus Prime voice*

Yessir!

SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
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#110: Oct 10th 2010 at 8:05:20 PM

Glenn would not be a good mod for the same reasons as Nornagest, he's proven to have some rather odd berserk buttons in the past that I don't think would make him good for the position. For one, he'd have to promise not to rant at people who change their usernames.

Haven I would only support if I knew he wouldn't let previous bad relations between us affect his judgment in any dealings with me.

edited 10th Oct '10 8:08:07 PM by SpainSun

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#111: Oct 10th 2010 at 8:08:53 PM

If you're talking about the name thing, that's just my opinion on policy; if I can't change policy, I don't push the issue, and for what it's worth I've already gotten over it. It was just that one time that I IJBM'd about it; I used the one IJBM about that issue that I'm entitled to.

edited 10th Oct '10 8:09:56 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

AnonymousUser Since: Jan, 2001
#112: Oct 10th 2010 at 8:10:46 PM

Oops, should have mentioned the name change thing.

I'd think he'd have to put that aside too.

And I didn't refresh.

edited 10th Oct '10 8:11:11 PM by AnonymousUser

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#113: Oct 10th 2010 at 8:13:36 PM

I differ with your reasoning, Spain Sun. Norn can well differentiate between his personal stance and the rules, nevertheless, for what I've seen he really isn't up for modding this place.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#114: Oct 10th 2010 at 8:18:07 PM

I'm not really that familiar with most of the names being thrown around, but I'd have to say I can't see Nornagest or Louie doing this but I could support GMH and possibly Gogglefox. I don't know Gogglefox very well, but apparently he or she is well thought of and has experience behind them.

AnonymousUser Since: Jan, 2001
#115: Oct 10th 2010 at 8:24:29 PM

Goggle Fox says they were a mod on another board.

Wonder what they'd be like here.

I don't think Norn would want to be a mod, as being a mod would require being committed to the forums, something I don't think he would want to do.

I'm still thinking we should take more people who aren't on this side of the world (the Americas) into consideration.

And since Glenn is in this thread, do you think you would be good at watching IJBM, for one thing?

SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
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#116: Oct 10th 2010 at 8:24:45 PM

Glenn: The only reason I mention it is that you've brought it up once or twice since then, I don't want to get banned because of stuff I did six months ago, you know?

Either way, I still can't see you as a moderator, no offense intended.

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LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
Loser
#118: Oct 10th 2010 at 8:40:36 PM

Mr. Fast Eddie,

Absent ban and post edit powers, any person willing to behave as a moderator can do so. By this, I mean they can all encourage others to be civil and not to fall for trolls.

No special appointment is required for this.

I still think the best approach is to convince/remind all forumites that the tenor of the forum is everyone's responsibility.

This seems reasonable to me, but it is true that regular tropers cannot thump other people's posts nor can they lock threads. Thus, while I certainly think that a sense of collective responsibility works for the forums, tropers who behave well cannot really do much to stop misbehavior from others besides alerting moderators. I think that is why this discussion is happening anyway (i.e. some think that having more moderators would improve response time).

edited 10th Oct '10 8:49:15 PM by LouieW

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SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
Laugh it off, everybody
#119: Oct 10th 2010 at 8:43:17 PM

I think that perhaps the most important thing to do right now is probably to get everyone to-if I may use my full vocabulary-calm the fuck down.

By and large, I seem to have been fortunate enough to have missed the majority of the drama, but there is still an enormous amount of tension in the air right now, and I don't think most people are thinking too clearly at the moment.

I spread my wings and I learn how to fly....
AnonymousUser Since: Jan, 2001
#120: Oct 10th 2010 at 8:46:06 PM

AFAIK, the extent of the drama is "Bon Sequitur gets banned, ominous banner appears on the Add Post screen out of nowhere, people panic".

Gelzo Gerald Zosewater from the vault Since: Oct, 2009
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#121: Oct 10th 2010 at 8:46:13 PM

Should we make a separate thread in Yack Fest or something for people to talk about who they think would be good mods? After Fast Eddie's post, it seems like talking about that subject here won't serve much of a purpose, but I think people would still want to discuss it.

The topic at hand is about improving moderation on the site, and I don't know if it's appropriate to distract from that.

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jaimeastorga2000 Indeed Since: May, 2011
Indeed
#123: Oct 11th 2010 at 11:00:49 AM

I think more moderators would be a good idea, because we still keep missing things, which makes us appear inconsistent. I would support the appointments of Nornagest and Goggle Fox, if they were willing.

I agree with this, and support both of the people mentioned. A good possible third candidate I would support would be Desertopa.

I'm open to the idea of less bans and more temp bans than permabans, but I still feel that if you've been warned once and you reoffend, it's your own fault if you get banned.

I also agree that the permaban should be used more sparingly; it is a very drastic course of action and prevents someone from contributing to the community anymore.

edited 11th Oct '10 11:09:49 AM by jaimeastorga2000

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#124: Oct 11th 2010 at 11:07:35 AM

As far as the software is concerned, there's no difference between temp and perm bans; the temp ban is merely something we manually take off after a designated amount of time.

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#125: Oct 11th 2010 at 12:06:27 PM

I apologize if I sound testy here, but how many more times do we have to say it? A permaban is the very last resort for forum misbehavior and is never applied lightly.

The people who get permabanned in the forums are those who consistently and repeatedly make it clear that they don['t feel obliged to follow the rules. What do you propose we do with those people, if we shouldn't permaban them?

edited 11th Oct '10 12:06:47 PM by Madrugada


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