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Dracomicron Since: Jan, 2001
#326: Jan 7th 2010 at 7:01:18 AM

Apparently there's an extended version of the love scene in the upcoming DVD version, and it's heavily implied that they link their USB ports, If You Know What I Mean (wait that doesn't even... ah nevermind).

Honestly it's not that squicky. Their braids aren't their sex organs, they basically function as another sense. Is it squicky if you use your hand to caress your lover, and then shake someone else's hand with it the next day?

You internet people have dirty minds.

"The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules." - E. Gary Gygax
TheAdversary Since: Jan, 2001
#327: Jan 7th 2010 at 8:26:21 AM

Hooking eachother up when doing the nasty is ok. Now, doing the same thing to horses, pterodactyls and trees whenever the opportunity arises? Hell no.

Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#328: Jan 7th 2010 at 11:27:58 AM

I find it somewhat odd that my gripes with the movie are not the same as everyone else's gripes with the movie (well, among those who had gripes with the movie).

Charlatan Since: Mar, 2011
#329: Jan 7th 2010 at 11:53:57 AM

Fun Fact: My friend, who loves Signourney Weaver movies, loves James Cameron movies, and is more strongly politically opinionated than I, did not like this movie.

Dracomicron Since: Jan, 2001
#330: Jan 7th 2010 at 11:55:34 AM

Hooking eachother up when doing the nasty is ok. Now, doing the same thing to horses, pterodactyls and trees whenever the opportunity arises? Hell no.

You're missing my point and seeing the link as sex. It's not. It's like your tongue. You use your tongue to collect sensory data while eating things, correct (my apologies if you're a tongueless person)? You can also use your tongue for kissing (among other things). Does the fact that you can use your tongue for kissing make it gross that you can also taste food with it?

"The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules." - E. Gary Gygax
audrey from Brazil Since: Dec, 2009
#331: Jan 7th 2010 at 1:08:14 PM

Well, it would be if he was licking horses, pterodactyls and trees.

I get your point, but it's weird.

It's weird, it's disturbing, and specially upsetting when they’re doing with animals (and mind controlling them as that). Because is not just like a normal tactile function, is a little more. Or was I the only one who thought “rape?” when it first happened?

edited 7th Jan '10 1:14:52 PM by audrey

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TheFedoraPirate Since: Jan, 2001
#332: Jan 8th 2010 at 8:48:59 AM

Dunno about "rape" per se but I did find it weird that they mind-pugged the pterodactyls into submission.

also, I know it isn't their sex organ but the film sure didn't make it clear and that initial squick is a bit hard to shake.

"They called me mad, I called them mad, and damn them, they outvoted me." - Nathaniel Lee, playwright, upon being committed to Bedlam
Ronin Yes, the avatar is blank Since: Jan, 2001
Yes, the avatar is blank
#333: Jan 8th 2010 at 9:08:54 AM

Well it seems Avatar is the number two movie of all time. Thus making James Cameron The Greatest Director on Earth

source: http://ca.movies.yahoo.com/news/usmovies.accesshollywood.com/avatar-climbs-no-2-alltime-box-office

edited 8th Jan '10 9:09:19 AM by Ronin

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#334: Jan 8th 2010 at 11:59:07 AM

I just saw it and it was pretty damn nice!

So uh.

Yeah?

Dracomicron Since: Jan, 2001
#335: Jan 8th 2010 at 12:04:56 PM

The mind control on animals is part of their purpose; I don't think that it's a violation if they're doing what they were designed to do. The planet was clearly designed specifically for the Na'vi to be able to master it if they put effort into it. I suspect that evolution on this planet is not similar to evolution on our planet, where our opposable thumbs and large, complex brains allow us to control nature to a degree. Is it weird that we use our brains and thumbs to keep cows in pens and clobber them over the head to eat them and make garments and expensive handbags of their carcasses?

Clearly all of the complex fauna on Pandora have a fairly recent common ancestor, or were genetically tailored from the outset (by Eylwa?).

edited 8th Jan '10 12:05:44 PM by Dracomicron

"The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules." - E. Gary Gygax
Asocialdemocrat Brutually Utilitarian Since: Dec, 2009
Brutually Utilitarian
#336: Jan 8th 2010 at 12:38:21 PM

But doesn't that make it even more disturbing, a whole planet where life is under the thumb of a megalomaniac ultra-brain or organic AI. It gives me the shivers to think what kind of things that organic AI is doing to the life on the planet.

"We live once, with a meaningless existence, and life is all that there is. There are no gods or devils watching over us. But we must act moral and for the greater good none the less." -A view of mine on life.
Echospeed from USA Since: Aug, 2009
#337: Jan 8th 2010 at 1:44:56 PM

I have a theory on that...I think that the "Planetary Consciousness" is malevolent and created the unobtainium just to bait the humans to the planet so it could get a good look at their technology. Suddenly, he has access to space-travel technology and a galactic invasion is possible!

We can all learn something from the Legend of Zelda and it's triforce, Power is nothing without the courage and wisdom to make use of it...
Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
Asocialdemocrat Brutually Utilitarian Since: Dec, 2009
Brutually Utilitarian
#339: Jan 8th 2010 at 8:47:08 PM

typo?

"We live once, with a meaningless existence, and life is all that there is. There are no gods or devils watching over us. But we must act moral and for the greater good none the less." -A view of mine on life.
krrackknut Not here, look elsewhere from The empty Aether. Since: Jan, 2001
Not here, look elsewhere
#340: Jan 9th 2010 at 10:49:39 AM

Oh, yes. Forgot to mention; When I first saw the poster - y'know, that one with half the face of blue Jake? (My first hearing about the movie) - I thought it would be some kind of Hindu mythology epic, with triple-bow wielding, eating of lightning, and multi-arm martial arts.
Somewhat disappointed about that.

An useless name, a forsaken connection.
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
Jesus as in Revelations
#341: Jan 9th 2010 at 5:30:56 PM

That film needs to be made. Look into the mouth ov kid visnu and witness the universe and the galaxies. AND THEN BLOW THEM UP!!!!!.

Just like the Sun Wukong movie, only with more Sun Wukong!

'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?
Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#342: Jan 11th 2010 at 12:04:25 AM

I liked the film. I had no problems with the mind link tentacle things. In fact I thought they were the coolest thing in the movie. Why can't we do that...

I will say the plot was very predictable. If only his girlfriend had died. Then I would have guessed the entire movie and got it correct. This is a flaw yes, but I do not mind it so much.

I will say that I would have liked more character development regarding the humans that weren't involved with the Avatar project. It just felt so...pathetically simple and stereotypical. It was saddening to see them portrayed as objectively bad and horrid. Wtf.

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#343: Jan 11th 2010 at 3:42:21 AM

That is pretty sad, but it's also not stretched to the point of implausibility. I mean, a guy like the boss of the military whateverhisnamewas is not unheard of, and if I was the other guy and a bunch of scientists walked up to me and told me about how the whole planet is a magical fairyland of some sort, I'd call them a bunch of new age idiots, too.

I don't know if it was just me interpreting too much into it, but in the end, it didn't seem all that black and white to me. The battlefield was not about good or bad, but just about who can survive. And in the end, the humans cried out that their own world is dying, and they... got no response. No justification.

Obviously you got the impression that the blue guys are pretty swell, but in the end, they just won the war and the humans lost.

Or maybe that's just me.

TheAdversary Since: Jan, 2001
#344: Jan 11th 2010 at 10:00:32 AM

The only way you could justify Gray-and-Gray Morality in Avatar is through Fridge Logic. In the movie itself, humans that haven't Avatars (or Not-Vasquez) are indisputable assholes.

At some times (pretty much any time they tried to talk down the company from burning dow the tree and seeing how the first line of people that were listening to Quarrich's speech before the battle were pretty much stereotypical trailer trash), I thought Cameron wanted to make me feel guilty for being human. Jesus.

Charlatan Since: Mar, 2011
#345: Jan 11th 2010 at 10:03:36 AM

I would like to award the Na'Vi the Shitty Tacticians' Golden Metal. Honestly, considering that Jake was a Marine and on their side he'd have devised a more guerrilla warfare-type strategy. Then again, that would have stretched the movie way out. Nonetheless, WAY too much of the movie runs on the Idiot Ball and Straw Political characters.

Since when is James Cameron this much of a bleeding hippy, anyway? This whole movie feels...Dishonest to me.

edited 11th Jan '10 10:03:52 AM by Charlatan

Justice4243 Writer of horse words from Portland, OR, USA Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Brony
Writer of horse words
#346: Jan 11th 2010 at 11:25:03 AM

I’m very glad to see other people be annoyed with how anvilicious this movie is. Honestly, it’s what bugged me the most. It certainly would have helped if we had an idea of how earth was. It didn’t sound like it sucked to live on earth until about 2/3rds of the way through the movie. Though admittedly, the character who mentions this probably thinks it’s a shame we don’t live in trees at this point. You’d think there’d be a committee of people whose ONLY job is makes sure humans don’t shoot missiles at sentient aliens. Hell, if I wanted to shoot a Panda with a rocket launcher there’d be TONS of people stopping me saying stuff like “Pandas are endangered.” “Killing animals is wrong.” “Where the HELL did you get a rocket launcher?!” “You’re scaring the children!” “Please leave the zoo, immediately!”

Maybe there are so many sentient beings out there now these people are busy and can’t possible monitor EVERY planet people want to set on fire because the indigenous people set up shop on an oil field? Maybe they discovered a new form of ultra Panda, that’s even fluffier and MORE endangered than the ones we have on earth? Does unobtainium taste like bacon wrapped cake that’s been fried in maple syrup oil? Who knows! All we know is there some evil corporate overlords out there who care slightly more about making a buck than a few thousand murders.

Other than that, the movie was very shiny and didn’t ask my brain to think too hard. Admittedly, I thought the climax of the film was Crazy Awesome. I’m sure the franchise will serve as another generations “Star Wars” in the sense that pre-teens everywhere will wonder how people got up in the morning without knowing how awesome it is to see someone take out a helicopter with a bow and arrow. They didn’t, they had Rambo. However, there was a period in history that existed before Rambo. My history is a little fuzzy, but I believe it was called the “Great Depression”.

Justice is a joy to the godly, but it terrifies evildoers.Proverbs21:15 FimFiction account.
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#347: Jan 11th 2010 at 12:20:42 PM

... I've gotta say, though, that was an amazing post.

Ronnie Respect the Red Right Hand from Surrounded by Idiots Since: Jan, 2001
Respect the Red Right Hand
#348: Jan 11th 2010 at 12:35:45 PM

I honestly thought the message was "Humans are Stupid" more than "Humans are Evil". And, well, I can actually agree with people on the whole being stupid.

Justice4243 Writer of horse words from Portland, OR, USA Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Brony
Writer of horse words
#349: Jan 11th 2010 at 12:38:26 PM

^^ Thank You! waii

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RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009

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